View Poll Results: How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

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  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    5 4.55%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    7 6.36%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    8 7.27%
  • He's Alright

    9 8.18%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    14 12.73%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    51 46.36%
  • He Was The Worst

    16 14.55%
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Thread: Bush's Presidency

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Spending is not a measure of the ability of a military.
    And so, I asked:
    Based on what?

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Then we get into a hyper-partisan argument with namecalling. Scarecrow will be along before long to prove my point on that.
    Well, I suspect that if the hyper-partisans all left the message boards it would no longer be much fun for non-hyper-partisans like you.

    People complain about message board idiots all the time, yet keep coming back for more. Funny how that works.


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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Sure. Let's start with a simple question. When was the last time Russia or China were attacked by another country?
    How is this relevant?

    I'll wait here for the answer. If it's C (and it is, no need to look it up) I have just demonstrated that you can effectively defend your country from attack for less than $266 billion.
    No, you haven't, as your 'proof' assumes that:

    - every dollar spent counters every other dollar spent
    - spending figures directly represent military ability
    - our only military/security issues concern Russia and China
    - the world security situation is stagnant

    Try again.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    30 % budget cut is one thing, but did the base closures actually make the country less safe? Come to think of it, the military Bush had to use for his two wars, at least at first, was the legacy military from Clinton, and it proved to be very effective.
    You've got to consider the opponent.


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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    No it's not. You can either defend your country or you cannot.
    And it's patently clear both countries can do that.
    Hardly. Both can be brought to their knees by destroying their economies, which can be done w/o using a single boot on the ground (especially in China's case). You're arguing from a false premise.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    You've got to consider the opponent.

    a million Iraqi's, armed with hundreds of thuosands of tanks, SCUD's, etc?

    In a head on battle, we would have lost you know. Politically. People would say it wasn't worth it, with hundreds maybe thousands of casualties... Instead, we had a smart guy, who said, how about we say we come from their side, then rape 'em from behind? Our strategy is what won the Iraqi Invasion, politcally.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    I can give Reagan alot of slack for that, but he still shouldn't have cut taxes so much because of the huge defecit.
    It wasn't the tax cuts that caused the deficit.

    It was the congress spending money on unconstitutional programs.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It wasn't the tax cuts that caused the deficit.

    It was the congress spending money on unconstitutional programs.
    Everything in the budget contributes to the defecit. That includes both the tax cuts and the unconstitutional spending.

    Just because there are unconstitutional programs that doesn't mean that the president has a blank check to allow to cut taxes as much as he wants and not care about the defecit.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Everything in the budget contributes to the defecit. That includes both the tax cuts and the unconstitutional spending.

    Just because there are unconstitutional programs that doesn't mean that the president has a blank check to allow to cut taxes as much as he wants and not care about the defecit.
    It requires willful denial to believe that tax cuts lead to deficits. Even with tax cuts, revenue has always trended upward particularly in an expanding economy.

    Once more; deficits are caused by politicians spending MORE than they TAKE IN. There's no magical economic formula for it. If you cut taxes, and the result is the economy grows, revenue will indeed go UP. If you bury citizens with TAXES, you will find revenue in decline as they will no longer produce or they will go elsewhere where tax policies are more favorable for business.

    California is a microcosm for what is happening right now at the Federal level. Over the last five years revenues went UP by about 40% and STILL, we ended up in a $20 billion plus deficit. The politicians SPENT beyond the 40% increases and then some.

    It's NOT about tax cuts; it is about politicians who spend beyond their means to pander for votes from ignorant masses who swallow the swill they dish out and believe that someone ELSE is going to pay for all the freebees. In the long run, the ignorant masses who swallowed the swill are the ones who pay for it with lost jobs, declining income and rampant inflation caused by the politicians who now have to PRINT and BORROW money to pay for their political pandering.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Once more; deficits are caused by politicians spending MORE than they TAKE IN.
    That's exactly right. You can cut taxes to any amount you want -- nothing in that cut necessitates that there will be even $1 of deficits.

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