View Poll Results: How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

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  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    5 4.55%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    7 6.36%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    8 7.27%
  • He's Alright

    9 8.18%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    14 12.73%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    51 46.36%
  • He Was The Worst

    16 14.55%
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Actually, it doesn't matter a hill of beans WHAT the spending is if it's too much!
    Really?

    What's your commentary on the family that has a $1000 budget, and spends $400 on rent, $300 on food, $200 on transportation, $250 on cable TV, internet and telephone, $200 on clothes, $200 to keep a boat in the marina, $500 a month on recreational drugs, and spends no money on health care or dental needs?, and never has to stop their spending because they're borrowing from their kid's future wages, and he's only two.

    Do you think what they spend doesn't matter?

    Well, it does matter, and in the real world, according to the Constitution, national defense is the first priority, and most of the budget outside of that is not even allowed to the federal government, but we're still borrowing from our kid's future earnings to have fun now.

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    You can bankrupt the country on "necessary and constitutionally authorized spending".
    Sure, one could. But in the real world, if only necessary and Constitutionally authorized spending had occurred, the country wouldn't have a deficit or a national debt. It would also have a sound economy and banking industry.

    Those are the fact, ma'am.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The thing is, and the point I am making, is when it came to balancing the budget, the presidents, none of them got it done, though Clinton got closest. I don't care about the excuses, it did not get done. Republicans accuse democrats of ignoring all these factors, but forget far too many themselves. Then we get into a hyper-partisan argument with namecalling. Scarecrow will be along before long to prove my point on that.
    Don't worry the name calling has already begun. I agree. Both sides tend to disregard midigating circumstances when talking about the other side. Republicans and Democrats alike. Clinton may have gotten closest, but he did so by weakening our military significantly. Personnally, I think the cuts should have come more equally from a large number of federal programs, not just the armed forces.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Actually, most Presidents had deficit spending. Reagan simply took it to a whole new level. See? Numbers don't lie.

    U.S. National Debt Clock FAQ



    See link above. Sorry. Again, numbers don't lie.

    I love how you protect the writers of bloated budgets when they are "your" guys. It's pathetic, but cute in its own way.
    It was FDR who started deficit spending actually.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, it does matter, and in the real world, according to the Constitution, national defense is the first priority, and most of the budget outside of that is not even allowed to the federal government, but we're still borrowing from our kid's future earnings to have fun now.
    Where does it say defense is "first"? My copy must be missing a page. Mine does not have the list of spending priorities in it. And if the other spending is not allowed I suggest you sue. When you win (and you will not) you will have solved the entire problem! And I'm with you. I hope you win. I know there would be a 0% chance of you winning, but I would still be on your side.
    Wow. Am I awesome or what?

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, the military spending was the meat and potatoes, the socialist nanny state spending was the fifty pound platter of churros.

    If you're not able to see the distinction between necessary and constitutionally authorized spending and unnecessary unconstitutional spending, you're not able to form a valid opinion on the budget problems facing this country.

    You are aware that federal spending on education is completely unconstitutional, right?
    The Constitution allows Congress to pass laws to "promote the general welfare." This is a rather obscure phrase, but it can be very easily interpreted to grant powers to oversee our Country's educational programs to the National government.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Don't worry the name calling has already begun. I agree. Both sides tend to disregard midigating circumstances when talking about the other side. Republicans and Democrats alike. Clinton may have gotten closest, but he did so by weakening our military significantly. Personnally, I think the cuts should have come more equally from a large number of federal programs, not just the armed forces.
    The weakening of the military under Clinton is greatly exaggerated.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The weakening of the military under Clinton is greatly exaggerated.
    Also agreed. Conservative nut-jobs greatly exagerrated it, but he still cut from the military disproportionally compared to other areas of government.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    It was FDR who started deficit spending actually.
    Actually, it started before we were even a country. Washington took over a country in debt. The permament deficits began under FDR and Reagan took them to unprecedented levels. Until his GOP friends George Bush and George Bush II, of course. And it's likely Obama will beat them all. And when he does the GOP partisans can't really say a ****ing word because we'll all just point and laugh.
    Wow. Am I awesome or what?

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Also agreed. Conservative nut-jobs greatly exagerrated it, but he still cut from the military disproportionally compared to other areas of government.
    Largely continuing the start from President Bush the elder. At times, the military needs to be cut, to force it to attack head on the "waste, fraud and abuse" problem.

    Further, the cuts in the military come nowhere close to explaining why the debt goes up least under democratic presidents. Interestingly, if you look at the deficit in relation to GDP, both the last 2 democratic presidents reduced the deficit as a portion of GDP.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Actually, it started before we were even a country. Washington took over a country in debt. The permament deficits began under FDR and Reagan took them to unprecedented levels. Until his GOP friends George Bush and George Bush II, of course. And it's likely Obama will beat them all. And when he does the GOP partisans can't really say a ****ing word because we'll all just point and laugh.
    But they will say something, you know it. Anyway, I can agree that we need to cut our federal budget massively and probably raise taxes a bit (unpopular as this may be) to get ourselves out of this hole. Obama, however, seems blissfully unaware that money doesn't just shoot out the mint's butt like diahrea from someone who just chugged a whole bottle of X-Lax.
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