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    5 4.55%
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    8 7.27%
  • He's Alright

    9 8.18%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    14 12.73%
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    I didn't say it was his defense spending that caused anything! I said ALL spending caused the deficits. That includes defense, of course, but I never said defense was the only reason.
    This quote of yours, included in my previous post...

    Reagan wanted and got a huge increase in military spending, but he had no way to pay for it. Hence, the record deficits (at the time) under his "small government" watch. If he wanted to increase military spending he should have cut elsewhere. But he didn't
    ...makes it pretty clear in that you're laying the blame on defense spending rather than any other partucular spending/spending increases.

    Obviously it just ain't so.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This quote of yours, included in my previous post...



    ...makes it pretty clear in that you're laying the blame on defense spending rather than any other partucular spending/spending increases.

    Obviously it just ain't so.
    I think I cleared that up for you. You read it wrong or I wasn't clear enough. Now I am. Defense was a big part of it. Not the ONLY part. But he did, in fact, increase spending across the board, including on defense, with no way to pay for it.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    I think I cleared that up for you. You read it wrong or I wasn't clear enough. Now I am. Defense was a big part of it. Not the ONLY part.
    Or the biggest part.
    But it IS the ONLY part you cared to mention.

    But he did, in fact, increase spending across the board, including on defense, with no way to pay for it.
    Tell me about the increases in entitlement spending, and how those increases came with no way to pay for them.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Or the biggest part.
    But it IS the ONLY part you cared to mention.


    Tell me about the increases in entitlement spending, and how those increases came with no way to pay for them.
    OK. Done. That was easy. The major point doesn't change. He lead us down the unsustainable "borrow and spend" path we are on.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    All spending that exceeds receipts bloats the budget.
    No, the military spending was the meat and potatoes, the socialist nanny state spending was the fifty pound platter of churros.

    If you're not able to see the distinction between necessary and constitutionally authorized spending and unnecessary unconstitutional spending, you're not able to form a valid opinion on the budget problems facing this country.

    You are aware that federal spending on education is completely unconstitutional, right?

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Link?
    From ten years ago?

    Fat chance.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    I didn't say it was his defense spending that caused anything!
    Did a squirrel use your computer while you were in the can?

    And whose idea was all military spending that bloated the budget?
    You are now denying you wrote this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, the military spending was the meat and potatoes, the socialist nanny state spending was the fifty pound platter of churros.

    If you're not able to see the distinction between necessary and constitutionally authorized spending and unnecessary unconstitutional spending, you're not able to form a valid opinion on the budget problems facing this country.

    You are aware that federal spending on education is completely unconstitutional, right?
    Actually, it doesn't matter a hill of beans WHAT the spending is if it's too much! You can bankrupt the country on "necessary and constitutionally authorized spending". There is no distinction when it comes to spending more than you take in. There may indeed be distinctions in regard to other debates about spending, but not this one. You cannot spend more than you take in forever, regardless of whether you think the spending is "good".
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    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    OK. Done. That was easy. The major point doesn't change. He lead us down the unsustainable "borrow and spend" path we are on.
    Wrong. According to the evidence presented on this thread, Carter pre-dates Reagan in the use of deficit spending.

    Therefore your statement that Reagan led us down that path is incorrect, he was not only following the path already set, he was not able to turn it around or stop it because the Democrat dominated House is the real party that sets the spending agenda.

    Read the Constitution some time. Spending bills originate in the House. A president's budget is only a suggestion.

    Also, the House was supposed to be cutting the unconstitutional domestic spending budget while granting the necessary increases in defense spending.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Wrong. According to the evidence presented on this thread, Carter pre-dates Reagan in the use of deficit spending.
    Actually, most Presidents had deficit spending. Reagan simply took it to a whole new level. See? Numbers don't lie.

    U.S. National Debt Clock FAQ

    Therefore your statement that Reagan led us down that path is incorrect, he was not only following the path already set, he was not able to turn it around or stop it because the Democrat dominated House is the real party that sets the spending agenda.
    See link above. Sorry. Again, numbers don't lie.

    I love how you protect the writers of bloated budgets when they are "your" guys. It's pathetic, but cute in its own way.
    Last edited by stekim; 06-22-09 at 03:12 PM.
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