View Poll Results: How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

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    5 4.55%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    7 6.36%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    8 7.27%
  • He's Alright

    9 8.18%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    14 12.73%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    51 46.36%
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    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Well, that's all well and good except for one small thing: I never said anything about empowering any Democrats! So I'm not sure your response is really to my post. It was very passionate and all, but it had nothing to do with my post. I clearly said, in fact, that the Democrats were bad. But when it comes to the area of spending they are not raging hypocrites. The GOP is. Sorry. It's not my fault. Pointing out the obvious is hardly an indictment of me.

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    Maybe you didn't mention it; but my comments did. Did you vote for any of the Democrats who now infest the Senate or House? Then you empower them.

    Did you vote for Obama? Then you empower them.

    Did you vote for a third party candidate? Then you empower them.

    There is only ONE good way to ensure politicians do not bury us in a vast sea of debt and societal decline, and that is by either ensuring that we never empower ONE particular party or that we vote FOR those candidates who espouse conservative values. I don't worry that sometimes they might go back on their word; after all, they are mostly LAWYERS and are POLITICIANS.

    But to deliberately VOTE for a candidate that promises to increase Government control, that they want to turn you into a ward of the State and increases taxes as their ONLY solution to every problem; that is just plain dumb. Defending them is asinine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Which he signed! Exactly my point. And whose idea was all military spending that bloated the budget? Tip O'Neill's? Nope. Despite the symbolism, Reagan got his budgets. Just like they all do. He submitted bloated budgets to Congress, they passed them, he signed them. End of story.
    If you look deeper, you'll find that Congress significantly modified Reagan's budget proposals to cut his proposed military spending and hike his proposed domestic spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    No kidding. But he DOES present a budget, right? Thanks. And those budgets are pretty much stuck to. So again, he sure as hell as does have input. So let's not try and pass the buck because your party does things you don't like. I would suggest you elect better people, but I know that's a long shot.
    I would like you to post/cite ONE credible instance where this has ever happened: And those budgets are pretty much stuck to.

    I think you are living on planet denial how the REAL political world works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Apparently, republican presidents should have been vetoing more, instead of just blaming democrats.
    Apparently you need to read up on some history as to why they had to compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Maybe you didn't mention it; but my comments did. Did you vote for any of the Democrats who now infest the Senate or House? Then you empower them.
    When did I ever say I voted for ANYONE in office right now?

    But to deliberately VOTE for a candidate that promises to increase Government control, that they want to turn you into a ward of the State and increases taxes as their ONLY solution to every problem; that is just plain dumb. Defending them is asinine.
    No more so than defending the GOP. They pretty much the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If you look deeper, you'll find that Congress significantly modified Reagan's budget proposals to cut his proposed military spending and hike his proposed domestic spending.
    In some programs sure. But here's the bottom line. Reagan NEVER sent anything even resembling a balanced budget to Congress. Not once. Not ever. He sent bloated budgets, they passed bloated budgets, he signed bloated budgets. And those are facts no one can spin or dispute.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Which he signed! Exactly my point. And whose idea was all military spending that bloated the budget? Tip O'Neill's? Nope. Despite the symbolism, Reagan got his budgets. Just like they all do. He submitted bloated budgets to Congress, they passed them, he signed them. End of story.
    What ****ing idiots think it was the military spending that bloated the budget?

    By definition the bloat would be in the form of the unconstitutional spending, not the required national defense spending.

    The bloat in the budgets The Great President simply had to sign was the domestic spending on useless welfare parasites, entitlements, and all the other unconstitutional spending, not in the defense spending that forced the Soviet Union into dissolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What ****ing idiots think it was the military spending that bloated the budget?
    All spending that exceeds receipts bloats the budget. Military or otherwise. You can bankrupt a country via military spending just like you can with any other kind. Reagan wanted and got a huge increase in military spending, but he had no way to pay for it. Hence, the record deficits (at the time) under his "small government" watch. If he wanted to increase military spending he should have cut elsewhere. But he didn't. And his legacy will be the start of our fiscal armageddon. He was a leader in the GOP's now infamous "borrow and spend" plan.
    Last edited by stekim; 06-22-09 at 01:11 PM.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Reagan wanted and got a huge increase in military spending, but he had no way to pay for it. Hence, the record deficits (at the time) under his "small government" watch. If he wanted to increase military spending he should have cut elsewhere. But he didn't. And his legacy will be the start of our fiscal armageddon. He was a leader in the GOP's now infamous "borrow and spend" plan.
    FY1982-1989:
    -DOD spending went from $185.9B to $304.0B (+63%), total $2028B
    -Entitlements went from $370.8B to $549.8B (+48%), total $3626B
    -Revenue went from $617.8B to $991.2B (+60%), total $6143B

    Entitlement spending exceeded defense spending by 78% and consumed 59% of all available revenue -- and yet it was Reagan's defense spending that created the deficits?

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    FY1982-1989:
    -DOD spending went from $185.9B to $304.0B (+63%), total $2028B
    -Entitlements went from $370.8B to $549.8B (+48%), total $3626B
    -Revenue went from $617.8B to $991.2B (+60%), total $6143B

    Entitlement spending exceeded defense spending by 78% and consumed 59% of all available revenue -- and yet it was Reagan's defense spending that created the deficits?

    I didn't say it was his defense spending that caused anything! Not in and of itself. ALL spending caused the deficits. That includes defense, of course, but I never said defense was the only reason. Like I said, if you want to increase defense spending, you need to cut elsewhere.
    Last edited by stekim; 06-22-09 at 01:32 PM.
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