View Poll Results: How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

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  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    5 4.55%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    7 6.36%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    8 7.27%
  • He's Alright

    9 8.18%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    14 12.73%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    51 46.36%
  • He Was The Worst

    16 14.55%
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Once again you are historically and constitutionally wrong; The Republican Congress under Clinton did indeed finally "balance" a budget and as we entered 2000 had a surplus.
    No. It was counting FICA taxes collected as revenues instead of offsetting them against future expenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Presidents have NOTHING to do with spending. They can sign bills or veto them, but they are not responsible for spending; that is for the Congress.
    Not true. While all spending bills must originate in the house, the fact is the budget is prepared by the President, who submits it to Congress. And that budget is generally passed pretty much as is. So the budget that ultimately gets passed is the President's budget. So he has a hell of a lot to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Well yes, they are quite similar. But I give the Democrats props for the fact they aren't claiming to be for small government. They are bad, sure, but in this regard they are not also hypocritical scum bags like the GOP. It sucks that you are peeing on me, but let's not call it rain to add further insult.
    I am always amused by this argument which basically goes like this; "even though Democrats actually WANT big Government and prefer to TAX and SPEND, I am still going to empower them because they are not as bad as a party that argues for less Government and then by turn of fate as seen in 9-11 actually increase Government. The Democrats better fit my Conservative views of less Government and lower taxes by increasing ten fold the vastness of Government control and taxes."

    Yes folks, when I read tripe like this, I am no longer surprised how complete idiots like Pelosi, Reid and Waxman get elected or how naive imbecilic Socialists like Obama get elected President.

    The only thing MORE ironic and hypocritical is when Democrats who RAILED about the Bush deficits now rabidly support a President and Congress who make the Bush deficits seem trivial in comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Not true. While all spending bills must originate in the house, the fact is the budget is prepared by the President, who submits it to Congress. And that budget is generally passed pretty much as is. So the budget that ultimately gets passed is the President's budget. So he has a hell of a lot to do with it.
    The President can ONLY present a budget; he cannot authorize ANY spending, that is the Constitutional authority of the Congress.

    During Clinton's Presidency, he wanted to do nothing but RAISE taxes and his efforts to create a vast new increase in Government via the Hillary Health Plan was declared DOA by the Newt Gingrich Congress.

    It was the Republican Congress and the "Contract with America" that drove the agenda during Clinton's Presidency. The ONLY cuts Clinton might be credited with would be the gutting of our military and CIA.

    This is why under Republican Presidents there were always continued tax increases and budget deficits until Republicans finally took over majorities BOTH houses of Congress, they had Democrat BIG spending majorities in the House and Senate to contend with and could not get a budget passed without compromises.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I am always amused by this argument which basically goes like this; [I]"even though Democrats actually WANT big Government and prefer to TAX and SPEND, I am still going to empower them because they are not as bad as a party that argues for less Government and then by turn of fate as seen in 9-11 actually increase Government.
    Well, that's all well and good except for one small thing: I never said anything about empowering any Democrats! So I'm not sure your response is really to my post. It was very passionate and all, but it had nothing to do with my post. I clearly said, in fact, that the Democrats were bad. But when it comes to the area of spending they are not raging hypocrites. The GOP is. Sorry. It's not my fault. Pointing out the obvious is hardly an indictment of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No. It was counting FICA taxes collected as revenues instead of offsetting them against future expenses.
    Link?

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Not true. While all spending bills must originate in the house, the fact is the budget is prepared by the President, who submits it to Congress. And that budget is generally passed pretty much as is. So the budget that ultimately gets passed is the President's budget. So he has a hell of a lot to do with it.
    Explain Tip O'Neill's use of an ambulance to pick up every budget Reagan submitted to Congress.

    The reason was all of Reagan's budget were DOA and the Democrats in Congress wrote and passed their own.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The President can ONLY present a budget; he cannot authorize ANY spending, that is the Constitutional authority of the Congress.
    No kidding. But he DOES present a budget, right? Thanks. And those budgets are pretty much stuck to. So again, he sure as hell as does have input. So let's not try and pass the buck because your party does things you don't like. I would suggest you elect better people, but I know that's a long shot.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Once again you are historically and constitutionally wrong; The Republican Congress under Clinton did indeed finally "balance" a budget and as we entered 2000 had a surplus.

    Presidents have NOTHING to do with spending. They can sign bills or veto them, but they are not responsible for spending; that is for the Congress.

    I am always amused when people give Clinton credit for what a Republican Congress did for the American people for the first time in five decades.
    Apparently, republican presidents should have been vetoing more, instead of just blaming democrats.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Explain Tip O'Neill's use of an ambulance to pick up every budget Reagan submitted to Congress.

    The reason was all of Reagan's budget were DOA and the Democrats in Congress wrote and passed their own.
    Which he signed! Exactly my point. And whose idea was all military spending that bloated the budget? Tip O'Neill's? Nope. Despite the symbolism, Reagan got his budgets. Just like they all do. He submitted bloated budgets to Congress, they passed them, he signed them. End of story.
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