View Poll Results: How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

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  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    5 4.55%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    7 6.36%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    8 7.27%
  • He's Alright

    9 8.18%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    14 12.73%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    51 46.36%
  • He Was The Worst

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    We can quibble over what forces and policies were at work during the 90s that resulted in lower deficits. There's no doubt that under the Bush years, deficits grew by leaps and bounds. What's most frightening is looking at the projected figures under Obama...
    I used start and end of term numbers for a reason. Obama is an incomplete so far. Hopefully, he will improve, though I have pretty strong doubts. He does not seem to have figured out that sometimes you just have to hold off on doing things(health care for example).

    I was in the Pentagon during the BRAC. I watched as our forces were cut about 30% across the board. I watched as everyone struggled to develop charts and graphs demonstrating that readiness was 'not impacted.'

    If your family budget were cut 30%, are you seriously telling me that would have no impact on your capabilities to function? If your business budget and workforce were slashed 30%, do you think your business would be able to handle the same workload through streamlining?

    30 % budget cut is one thing, but did the base closures actually make the country less safe? Come to think of it, the military Bush had to use for his two wars, at least at first, was the legacy military from Clinton, and it proved to be very effective.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Everyone knows who The Rapist President and The Idiot President are. They're the only two Democrats to foul the White House since The Man Who Had The Decency To Quit resigned for the sake of the nation.

    The Rapist President has no decency, naturally.
    Ah, I was right, here is Scarecrow proving my point. Hi Scarecrow

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    The idiots are the ones that STILL sip the Kool Aid while towing the GOP company line. And there are tons of them here in Dixie. The actually believe the crap the GOP is spewing.
    I agree. The problem is the Democrats are very similar. So we have very few in Washington who really represents us.

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    If that's the case, then the people are clearly in favor of them because they continuously elect Presidents and Legislators who spend like drunken socialists.
    Because they give us little choice. Between the media making anyone outside of the two party system seem like a joke and the cool aid drinkers on both sides, we are stuck with little real choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    What Americans want, based on their votes, is a Nanny state paid for using money borrowed from China. Election results don't lie.
    We have the government we deserve, no doubt.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Since you still seem afraid to answer, lets look at some numbers I found. Let's use debt a a purer metric. I will use the same source celticlord did to get his numbers.

    Carter: 9/30/77 698,840,000,000
    9/30/81 997,855,000,000

    About a 1/3 increase in 4 years.

    Reagan: 9/29/89 2,857,430,960,187

    That is almost triple, in 8 years.

    Bush the elder: 9/30/93 4,411,488,883,139

    Not quite double in 4 years.

    Clinton: 9/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200

    about a 1/3 increase in 8 years.

    Bush the younger: 9/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912

    Not quite double in 7 years. The 8th year should take it to over double.

    Spin it how you want, but under democratic presidents, debt has risen at a lower pace prior to Obama than under republican presidents. What Obama's numbers will look like, I am afraid to guess.

    The further truth is that it is not even close. Debt has risen dramatically faster under republicans than democrats.
    Ah, well, let's look at those numbers more realistically.

    Using your numbers, you show The Great President increasing the Idiot's deficit by a factor of

    2,857/998 = 2.86.

    The Great One fixed the Idiot's destruction of the United States, fixed the military, and won the Cold War. Not a bad investment.

    The Oath Breaker's deficit is claimed to be

    (4,411 - 2857)/ 998 = 1.56

    times the Idiot's baseline, but he had to clean up the mess The Party of Greed and Treason made in the Savings and Loan industry, which makes up a fair fraction of that 1.6T total.

    The Rapist rang up a deficit of

    (5,807 - 4,411) / 998 = 1.40

    However, this number is certainly based on the false and illegal accounting gimmicks already addressed and is clearly a basement number. Also, The Rapist didn't have anything to show for all the excess spending, just a stained blue dress.

    And then there's the Bumbling Liberal President, who had to fight two wars and recover from the Rapist's President's recession,

    (10,025 - 5807)/998 = 4.23

    Which is pretty high, but then again, there's the aforementioned two wars, and the fact that he's a liberal to contend with.

    Let's look at your Messiah, shall we?

    A first years deficit of 2.3 trillion dollars, with the year half-over and he's not even nationalized health care yet, which will cost another 1.5 trillion dollars easily, for a one year deficit of

    3.8 trillion dollars/998 = 3.81 for only one year in office, and the American people have not benefitted in the least and will not ever benefit from this wasted money.

    Lets see, if The Messiah runs true to form, over the succeeding three years that boy will run up at least 400,000,000,000 in deficit each year, and I'm being nice to the boy.

    (3,800 +3x400) = 5,000 / 998 = 5.01

    Or, better yet, let's normalize the numbers to an annual basis.

    The Idiot: 998 / 4 = 250
    The Great One: (2,857 - 998) / 8 = 232.4
    The Oath Breaker: (4,411 - 2857) / 4 = 388.5
    The Rapist: (5,807 - 4,411) / 8 = 174.5
    The Bumbling Liberal: (10,025 - 5807) / 8 = 527.3
    The Messiah: 5,000 / 4 = 1250.0

    The Idiot.s Baseline: 250 / 250 = 1.0
    The Great One: 232.4/250 = 0.93 (Oh. Lookie! Went Down from Baseline)
    The Oath Breaker: 388.5 / 250 = 1.554
    The Rapist: 174.5 / 250 = 0.70 (Went down, but with nothing to show for it)
    The Bumbling Liberal: 527.3 / 250 = 2.11
    The Messiah: 1250.0/250 = 5.00

    Those be da numba's in da perspec-tive.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree. The problem is the Democrats are very similar. So we have very few in Washington who really represents us.
    Well yes, they are quite similar. But I give the Democrats props for the fact they aren't claiming to be for small government. They are bad, sure, but in this regard they are not also hypocritical scum bags like the GOP. It sucks that you are peeing on me, but let's not call it rain to add further insult.


    Because they give us little choice. Between the media making anyone outside of the two party system seem like a joke and the cool aid drinkers on both sides, we are stuck with little real choice.
    Can't argue with that.

    We have the government we deserve, no doubt.
    Indeed.

    PS Your avatar is to creepy for words.
    That's actually a picture of me.
    Wow. Am I awesome or what?

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    In how many cases did the congress have a veto-proof majority of one party?
    Under Republican dominance, never in the time frame discussed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Mention the deficit under Clinton, and they bring up the fact that there was no real surplus, but forget that there was a reduction of deficit.

    Notice the pattern there?
    Yes, people who point out the fact that the alleged surplus the supporters of the Rapist President keep pointing didn't exist are the honest ones.

    Now the dishonest ones are trying to move the goal posts since if the surplus these people are alleging didn't actually happen, and REAL accounting rules were applied to the federal government, what would the deficit the Rapist created actually be? Since that number is not known, it's improper to claim that the deficit "went down".

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Keep making those excuses Scarecrow!

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Our right wing friends want to deny credit for any lessening of the deficit under Clinton,
    Young boy?

    That's not important.

    Explain the need The Rapist had for having a deficit. What was accomplished by that borrowing? What Constitutionally authorized items were purchased thereby? How were the American people, that means the taxpayers, not the parasites, assisted in their pursuit of happiness by having their children's money indebted thereby?

    No one denies that looking at the magical figures published by Washington that Clinton's deficit was smaller than the others.

    It was never negative.

    Do you have the maturity and honesty to understand what that means? I'll tell you.

    It means that Clinton increased the national debt.

    So what's the big deal, you're cheering because little teenager didn't run up the credit card quite so much, but did nothing to pay it down?

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The thing is, and the point I am making, is when it came to balancing the budget, the presidents, none of them got it done, though Clinton got closest. I don't care about the excuses, it did not get done. Republicans accuse democrats of ignoring all these factors, but forget far too many themselves. Then we get into a hyper-partisan argument with namecalling. Scarecrow will be along before long to prove my point on that.
    Once again you are historically and constitutionally wrong; The Republican Congress under Clinton did indeed finally "balance" a budget and as we entered 2000 had a surplus.

    Presidents have NOTHING to do with spending. They can sign bills or veto them, but they are not responsible for spending; that is for the Congress.

    I am always amused when people give Clinton credit for what a Republican Congress did for the American people for the first time in five decades.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Well yes, they are quite similar. But I give the Democrats props for the fact they aren't claiming to be for small government. They are bad, sure, but in this regard they are not also hypocritical scum bags like the GOP. It sucks that you are peeing on me, but let's not call it rain to add further insult.
    Welcome to "compassionate conservatism"

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