View Poll Results: How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

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  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    5 4.55%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    7 6.36%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    8 7.27%
  • He's Alright

    9 8.18%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    14 12.73%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    51 46.36%
  • He Was The Worst

    16 14.55%
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    I think Clinton would have done much worse if it wasn't for the Republican Congress.

    Bill Clinton increased taxes very early, and that was the first step in ballancing the budget. I don't care where Clinton got the idea, unlike Bush and Obama as well as the two presidents before Clinton, Bill actually carried it out.
    Clinton never ballanced the budget.

    He never even balanced it. Not on the books, not on the end of his nose, the budget hasn't been balanced since before Nixon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Can't someone like Bill for overseeing the balance of the budget, and not like Obama for overseeing the massive increase of the budget, at the same time?

    Or have you decided that all judgments are made based on partisan leanings?
    One has to weigh The Rapist President against his entire eight year term, and not just for the one "accomplishment" that didn't actually happen.

    Clinton has to be judged as the most corrupt president in history, as the man who allowed a major campaign donor, Loral Corp, to sell MIRV technology to the Chinese, who failed at every foreign policy venture embarked on, who was impeached for comitting a felony, perjury, and who later paid fines for, and who basically never did anything without first checking if it benefitted him personally, and then checking if it benefitted his party, and never worrying about whether or not it benefitted the country.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Clinton never ballanced the budget.

    He never even balanced it. Not on the books, not on the end of his nose, the budget hasn't been balanced since before Nixon.
    www.headybrew.net - Federal Budget Deficit Spending Chart


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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    The military sucked during the Clinton years. Bearly any money for research.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The military sucked during the Clinton years. Bearly any money for research.
    Did you know that the Predator was developed during Clinton's administration?

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    I don't think many who look at the numbers will argue that the deficit wasn't reduced under Bill Clinton.

    What's really important is to understand why it was reduced.

    It was reduced, in large part, because Clinton was dealing with a GOP controlled Congress which killed large spending proposals such as universal health care. And as others have pointed out, the military was cut dramatically during the 1990s. Pointing to a program here or there that was initiated or got increased funding doesn't change the fact that military spending decreased dramatically during his administration LINK. And to be fair, that trend started before he took office with the so-called 'peace dividend' at the end of the Cold War in 1989.

    U.S. deficit reduction was assisted greatly by the dot-com bubble which resulted in soaring stock markets and increased tax revenue. That bubble burst in 2000, leading in large part to the recession of 2000 and 2001.

    One could argue whether the peace dividend or the dot-com bubble were related to Clinton policies. But what is certain is this... Bill Clinton never went on the wild spending spree that we're witnessing now. Not even close. If he had, that chart posted a bit earlier would look much, much different.

    Last edited by Grateful Heart; 06-21-09 at 09:32 AM.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I don't think many who look at the numbers will argue that the deficit wasn't reduced under Bill Clinton.

    What's really important is to understand why it was reduced.

    It was reduced, in large part, because Clinton was dealing with a GOP controlled Congress which killed large spending proposals such as universal health care. And as others have pointed out, the military was cut dramatically during the 1990s. Pointing to a program here or there that was initiated or got increased funding doesn't change the fact that military spending decreased dramatically during his administration LINK. And to be fair, that trend started before he took office with the so-called 'peace dividend' at the end of the Cold War in 1989.

    U.S. deficit reduction was assisted greatly by the dot-com bubble which resulted in soaring stock markets and increased tax revenue. That bubble burst in 2000, leading in large part to the recession of 2000 and 2001.

    One could argue whether the peace dividend or the dot-com bubble were related to Clinton policies. But what is certain is this... Bill Clinton never went on the wild spending spree that we're witnessing now. Not even close. If he had, that chart posted a bit earlier would look much, much different.

    A couple things. Using the chart provided above(which I do not vouch for the accuracy of), the deficit was already trending down before the republican congress.

    Secondly, alot of the reduction in military spending was a result of efforts by both Bush the elder and Clinton administrations to streamline and improve efficiency in the military. My favorite example is the base closure commission started by Bush the elder, and continued under Clinton, which did not reduce military readiness, and I think next year we reach the break even point, where the cost of the closings is surpassed by the savings from closing the bases.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    So, you're essentially saying that Mr. Bush is willing to not do anythign to help the starving, dying people in New Orleans, because of a stupid rule? Sometimes, breaking rules is the right course, and in this case, Mr. Bush did not follow the right course. And I believe a state of emergency was called right after Katrina, so Mr. Bush still decided to not dedicate FEMA, even though it's obvious that they needed the help. What Bush should have done, was wait for the Supreme Court to interpret what a governor's call for help is, and then after submitting some forms, he could have then sent Fema to help. That's essentially what you want. Bureacracy and bull****.

    And Remind Me, how am I wrong again???
    The starving people? Where do you think all that trash they were wallowing in came from? And it was Governor Blanco who denied the Red Cross permission to enter downtown New Orleans because she didn't want to attract more people going to the Superdome. Red Cross made that very clear because they didn't want people to think it was their fault. She wanted them to leave. The lies about Bush during Katrina are massive. Studies showed it was a hugely successful rescue effort.

    Bush kept his promise and sent over $100 billion and has been thanked profusely by our mayor and our newspaper.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Ohh! Looky.....either you're right and I'm wrong, or you're quoting a propaganda graph that doesn't bother to address the fact that Clinton's "balanced" budget improperly places revenues from FICA taxes intended for future expenses inton the "let's spend it now" column and pretend that future debts aren't being incurred.

    Let's put it this way. Since I'm not wrong, the only question you have to ask is why aren't members of Congress and put in jail for pulling tricks with the numbers that would put any Enron exec in jail instantly.

    They lied to you.

    You don't have to believe the lie.

    If you want to be free, you'll stop believing their lies.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I don't think many who look at the numbers will argue that the deficit wasn't reduced under Bill Clinton.
    Certainly the deficit was reduced under the Rapist President.

    There was never a surplus.

    Funny, though, the people babbling about this alleged "surplus" never ask the obvious question:

    Why wasn't the money returned to the people it was taken from?


    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    What's really important is to understand why it was reduced.
    You missed one of the biggest reasons.

    The S&L Bailout, necessitated because of the shenanigans of the Democrats in the Senate, was paid off and finally returning money to the government.

    Again, the Rapist President had nothing to do with this, either.

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