View Poll Results: How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

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  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    5 4.55%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    7 6.36%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    8 7.27%
  • He's Alright

    9 8.18%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    14 12.73%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    51 46.36%
  • He Was The Worst

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    What's more astonishing is that most who remember Clinton as "top of the list" can name few substantive accomplishments during his presidency. Rather, they list warm fuzzies like 'times were good' or 'America was respected around the world.' Perhaps they think 'topping the list' simply means making the most talk show appearances...

    YouTube - Bill and Hillary Clinton on Arsenio Hall
    Ok... im pretty sure for this thread and many others I brought up the good things that Clinton did one to refuttes them. Clinton wasn't an amamzing president by any standards, but he did well, and he certainly was't a poor president.

    He fixed budget (by slowing the increases in debt to GDP, and reversing it), got the North America Free Trade Agreement, reformed welfare and kept America out of entengling military alliances.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Ok... im pretty sure for this thread and many others I brought up the good things that Clinton did one to refuttes them. Clinton wasn't an amamzing president by any standards, but he did well, and he certainly was't a poor president.

    He fixed budget (by slowing the increases in debt to GDP, and reversing it), got the North America Free Trade Agreement, reformed welfare and kept America out of entengling military alliances.
    Budget

    Clinton got this passed AFTER the Republicans took control of Congress.

    North American Free Trade Agreement-began by Bush I, passed with massive Republican (not so much Democratic )support.

    Welfare Reform?- VETOED by Clinton TWICE. He signed it only afte his political adviser Dick Morris told him he would lose in 1996 if he vetoed it again.

    Kept America out of entangling military alliances?

    You do realize that Clinton launched more military operations during his 8 years than President Bush did don't you?

    Not to mention the expansion of NATO under President Clinton which for good or ill is pretty much the definition of an "entangling alliance".

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Budget

    Clinton got this passed AFTER the Republicans took control of Congress.

    North American Free Trade Agreement-began by Bush I, passed with massive Republican (not so much Democratic )support.

    Welfare Reform?- VETOED by Clinton TWICE. He signed it only afte his political adviser Dick Morris told him he would lose in 1996 if he vetoed it again.

    Kept America out of entangling military alliances?

    You do realize that Clinton launched more military operations during his 8 years than President Bush did don't you?

    Not to mention the expansion of NATO under President Clinton which for good or ill is pretty much the definition of an "entangling alliance".
    I think Clinton would have done much worse if it wasn't for the Republican Congress.

    Bill Clinton increased taxes very early, and that was the first step in ballancing the budget. I don't care where Clinton got the idea, unlike Bush and Obama as well as the two presidents before Clinton, Bill actually carried it out.

    I don't care WHY Bill Clinton eventually got welfare reform, it was a good idea. He is a politician, he does what people like, and that gets him ellected. Thats politics.

    Clinton was smart and launched military operations in a way that was the best for the US. A strong force, and then he solves the problem (or as much as he could) and then leaves soon after. Much different from Iraq or Afganistan. I just wish Clinton took more of an innitiave in Rowanda though, regardless of the consequences.
    Sorry, I mispoke. I don't have much of a problem with a military alliance with our allies (especially if it doesn't force us to be in long constant struggles) but its forced military operations in other countries that are more dangerous.


    And that is why the government under Clinton did a good job. I grade the presidents on their end result with how hard their problems were, not so much how they get there.
    Last edited by nerv14; 06-20-09 at 03:19 PM.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Ok... im pretty sure for this thread and many others I brought up the good things that Clinton did one to refuttes them.
    You did mention Clinton earlier in this thread with few specifics.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14
    Bill Clinton may have done some military engagements in Europe, but he didn't take America out of the Cold War into any new long involvements that we shouldn't have been in.

    But of course, Bush's biggest fault was his increased medicare funding along with his tax cuts that drastically increased the defecit (during a healthy economy) compared with Clinton's great fiscal policy.
    If fiscal policy (balancing the budget) is your defense of Clinton then I won't argue the point.

    It only drives home the insanity that is our current administration's policy of endless, unaccountable spending.

    Last edited by Grateful Heart; 06-20-09 at 05:10 PM.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    If fiscal policy (balancing the budget) is your defense of Clinton then I won't argue the point.

    It only drives home the insanity that is our current administration's policy of endless, unaccountable spending.
    Can't someone like Bill for overseeing the balance of the budget, and not like Obama for overseeing the massive increase of the budget, at the same time?

    Or have you decided that all judgments are made based on partisan leanings?

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Can't someone like Bill for overseeing the balance of the budget, and not like Obama for overseeing the massive increase of the budget, at the same time?

    Or have you decided that all judgments are made based on partisan leanings?
    If I had made an argument that someone can't like Bill and not like Obama then your second question might merit a response.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    If I had made an argument that someone can't like Bill and not like Obama then your second question might merit a response.
    Isn't that what you did though? You said that you won't bother refuting Clinton's achievement because it emphasizes Obama's failure, which would imply that one's opinion of the two would have to be connected.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Isn't that what you did though? You said that you won't bother refuting Clinton's achievement because it emphasizes Obama's failure, which would imply that one's opinion of the two would have to be connected.
    On the contrary, it implies that on this issue his opinion of the two are connected. He made no claim that everyone had to suscribe to this opinion.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    On the contrary, it implies that on this issue his opinion of the two are connected. He made no claim that everyone had to suscribe to this opinion.
    OK, I obviously got that one wrong.

    I'll shut up now

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    OK, I obviously got that one wrong.

    I'll shut up now
    By no means. We all make mistakes sometimes. Keep your opinions coming! That is afterall the point of this forum.
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