View Poll Results: Which should be legal for average citizens to own and use?

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  • VX

    10 16.67%
  • Aersol Ebola

    9 15.00%
  • Nuclear Weapons

    6 10.00%
  • Jet Fighters with full munitions

    20 33.33%
  • Claymores and Mines

    29 48.33%
  • Anti-Armor Missiles

    27 45.00%
  • Machine Guns

    40 66.67%
  • Handguns

    57 95.00%
  • Automatic Rifles

    49 81.67%
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Thread: Limits to Private Arsenals

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    Re: Limits to Private Arsenals

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Nope you don't have to show any of these yes you do need an import license for Ex-Soviet Aircraft and certain Western Build Aircraft. As for the knowledge the only item the FAA ask for is an approved maintance program and that the pilot(s) have a the right amount of training in said airframe

    Also you folks do understand that anyone can also go out and purchase say a T-54 Tank rebuild and drive it or a Sherman,King Tiger ect. ect. you don't need any special permit of training for Armor.
    We are talking about fully armed aircraft and tanks, not just the aircraft and or vehicle. For the aircraft you do need the hours, that qualifies as oversite. In fact the thread itself is about weapons, not so much the vehicles.

    Your argument has nothing at all to do with the point I was making.

    In fact here is my statement:

    "If someone owns a fully operational and armed jet fighter they need a license, period. They should have to prove they are knowledgeable in the operation and maintaining of such a destructive device. Much like our present laws on explosives etc. - Blackdog
    Last edited by Black Dog; 06-09-09 at 05:25 PM.


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    Re: Limits to Private Arsenals

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Airplanes & Aircraft Parts For Sale - Free Classified Ads - Ultralights to Airliners - Used Aircraft and Helicopter Sales and Classifieds including Cessna, Beechcraft, Piper, de Havilland, Boeing, Airbus and Lockheed planes

    Also I never said that they came with full weapons all I every have said was that you can purchase former Military Jets, please show where I actually stated that they would come fully loaded with weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Ikari-Not really I can get you a fully loaded Mig21UT from Poland with Guns Ammo and Drop tanks for all under $100,000 USD, the cost of maintance isn't to bad about adverage of a mid-size twin engine aircraft.

    As for Tanks my Cozz. owns a fully restored Churchill and Sherman, they cost him more in gas and maintance then my two WWII Training aircraft.

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    Re: Limits to Private Arsenals

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    They also were not able to conceive of the internet, CNN, the telephone or using satellites to spy on people -- and yet, the Constitution covers these things.

    Or, do you agree that it should not?
    If you take into account the rest of what I said and don't take one paragraph out of context, you would see with perfect clarity.

    "It is really sad that some people are unwilling to admit that times have changed. If common sense cannot be applied reasonably to account for our changing society, we mite as well issue in a new dark age right now.

    The Constitution (as much as I believe in it) is over 200 years old. Society's, technology and people change. We have to adapt to these changes or be like a large part of the Middle East and still living in the 15th century.
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    Re: Limits to Private Arsenals

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    We are talking about fully armed aircraft and tanks, not just the aircraft and or vehicle. For the aircraft you do need the hours, that qualifies as oversite. In fact the thread itself is about weapons, not so much the vehicles.

    Your argument has nothing at all to do with the point I was making.

    In fact here is my statement:

    "If someone owns a fully operational and armed jet fighter they need a license, period. They should have to prove they are knowledgeable in the operation and maintaining of such a destructive device. Much like our present laws on explosives etc. - Blackdog
    Actually Blackdog my point has everything to do with the Op, in the list it states Jet Fighter nothing saying that they are fully armed. Someone said you couldn't get a Jet Fighter and I think I've done a rather good job of showing that you can purchase a Jet Fighter.

    As for what you need no all you need is an import license period this is issued by ATF after that you can do what every you want with your Mig/Harrier/Drakken ect. ect. if you desire to fly them then you need to go thru the proper FAA paperwork which is rather easy to do also.

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    Re: Limits to Private Arsenals

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
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    All former Soviet era aircraft come with the gun in place as for the Ammo you can purchase that here in the United States, all the former Soviet stuff that I have seen have come with the guns in place when you unloaded them the ATF is their and disarms them for you it's all in the paperwork.

    Hell I recall when the first Mig15s came from the Chinese navy in the early 80s they all had the guns and ammo in them and some of them actually came with cannon pods ready to install. it seems the guy who first start the purchase of the early Migs purchase the whole lot as is with all items.

    Was a big shock to both the guy's who bought them and the ATF who were their to help unload.

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    Re: Limits to Private Arsenals

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Actually Blackdog my point has everything to do with the Op, in the list it states Jet Fighter nothing saying that they are fully armed. Someone said you couldn't get a Jet Fighter and I think I've done a rather good job of showing that you can purchase a Jet Fighter.
    I never said you could not. So this again has nothing at all to do with my argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    As for what you need no all you need is an import license period this is issued by ATF after that you can do what every you want with your Mig/Harrier/Drakken ect. ect. if you desire to fly them then you need to go thru the proper FAA paperwork which is rather easy to do also.
    I don't believe I have to repeat myself again. My comment was about fully armed aircraft and over site as well as licenses for the weapons, not the aircraft or tank.

    You have shown you need both to get the aircraft. Without a class 3 license you cannot get the (functional) weapons or munitions for the aircraft.

    So again your statement had little to do with my point even though you backed up what I said.
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    Re: Limits to Private Arsenals

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    All former Soviet era aircraft come with the gun in place as for the Ammo you can purchase that here in the United States, all the former Soviet stuff that I have seen have come with the guns in place when you unloaded them the ATF is their and disarms them for you it's all in the paperwork.

    Hell I recall when the first Mig15s came from the Chinese navy in the early 80s they all had the guns and ammo in them and some of them actually came with cannon pods ready to install. it seems the guy who first start the purchase of the early Migs purchase the whole lot as is with all items.

    Was a big shock to both the guy's who bought them and the ATF who were their to help unload.
    So then, you can or cannot get me a fully loaded mig with weapons and all?

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    Re: Limits to Private Arsenals

    VX :

    ???

    Aersol Ebola :


    I'm pretty sure the average citizen owning this is already illegal.

    Nuclear Weapons :


    Same as above.

    Jet Fighters with full munitions :


    The average rabid gun owner only owns one of these in his wet dreams.

    Claymores and Mines:

    No.

    Anti-Armor Missiles :

    Good luck affording them.

    Machine Guns
    Handguns
    Automatic Rifles
    : Meh - couldn't care less.

    What people don't seem to realize is that even if they were allowed to own jet fighters, bottles of ebola and nuclear weapons most of the people who want them would not know how to use them properly to create any real damage and those that would know how to use them would probably be under very close government surveillance the moment they decide to buy something as dangerous as Ebola in any kind of significant quantity.
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    Re: Limits to Private Arsenals

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
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    What people don't seem to realize is that even if they were allowed to own jet fighters, bottles of ebola and nuclear weapons most of the people who want them would not know how to use them properly to create any real damage and those that would know how to use them would probably be under very close government surveillance the moment they decide to buy something as dangerous as Ebola in any kind of significant quantity.

    Can't speak for the rest of your statement ,I can speak on the Jet Fighter stuff trust me when I tell you that us who own and operated these aircraft 1 Know how to use them and 2 most of us have at one time or another actually have used them in some sort of combat related flights.

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    Re: Limits to Private Arsenals

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    VX :

    ???
    VX is a nerve agent it's actual name is as follow's,

    VX (S-[2-(diisopropylamino)ethyl]-O-ethyl methylphosphonothioate) nasty stuff that is outlawed by the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1993 the only Country know to actually to use in combat is Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.

    It is an area denial weapon and is the most well know of the V-Series of Nerve Gas all and all some very nasty sh*t.

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