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Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

  • Yes he is a terrorist and should be waterboarded here for info

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  • No he is not a terrorist but waterboarding or torture should be used on him

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And what does this have to do with condemning somebody for committing murder in the name of their beliefs?



And what does this have to do with condemning somebody for committing murder in the name of their beliefs?

So does that mean you do not look at underground railroad participants as heroes? After all they violated the law for what they believed in?




Hahahaha. False. Thinking that abortion is murder does not mean you should support killing people who provide such a service anymore then it means you should kill women getting abortions.
If you truely believe abortion is nothing more than legalized serial killing or mass murder then you should support the few who go out and risk life in prison or the death penalty to take out a baby killing monster. The mother who gets an abortion should be seen as nothing more than a legalized 1st degree murderer or at least someone involved in a legal murder for hire.

Hahahaha. Well. It's good to know you're officially insane and only care about the law when it comes to illegal immigrants. Opposing abortion and saying those who provide the service should be killed are two entirely different things. It's like saying you're against illegal immigration and would have immigrants be executed for it. It's extremism.


Abortion and illegal immigration are two separate thing. A vigilante action equivalent to an abortionist being killed with illegal immigration would be kidnapping illegals and flying them back to their countries. Since that is what is usually done with illegals just as execution is usually what is done with serial killers. Killing illegals inside the country would be excessive. Killing baby killing monsters is not excessive.

I fully expect you and other abortionist to condemn Scott Roeder,call him a whack job,terrorist or what ever other name you all have called him and call Tiller the baby killer a hero. After all in your eyes abortion is nothing more than the removal of expendable non sentient organs. So you and other abortionist view Scott Roeder as someone who murdered a poor innocent doctor who removes something equivalent to that of a toe nail, pancreas or tonsils. So it makes sense why you and others like you would condemn that man.
 
So the underground railroad participants were wrong for helping blacks escape slavery and the blacks who escaped from slavery were wrong for escaping? Are you saying that those people should have been condemned by the abolitionist for breaking the law and that they should have just sat there doing nothing until the law changed? Is that what you are saying?

No. I'm saying that while I wouldn't be calling for their head, I also wouldn't be celebrating them, as they were impugning the laws of this country and likely hurting their movement by doing such things. However, I'd also say the underground railroad action did no physical damage generally to someone, while in this case someone was murdered.

So are you saying those that come here to escape poverty and horrible living conditions in hopes of giving their children a better life, where food is readily available and they're able to work rather than possibly making their kids work at 8 or 10 years old are patriots that should be celebrated because they're breaking the law to do a morally good thing? Is that what you're saying?
 
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I voted hell no. If I support even torturing a scum bag like him, then I am no better than he is.
 
It's basically gorilla warfare.

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Gorilla warfare is scary stuff.
 
No. I'm saying that while I wouldn't be calling for their head, I also wouldn't be celebrating them, as they were impugning the laws of this country and likely hurting their movement by doing such things.



However, I'd also say the underground railroad action did no physical damage generally to someone, while in this case someone was murdered.

Abolitionist were not a bunch of pacifist. You seem to forget these people literally risked their lives to help people escape slavery or to escape slavery themselves.

JOHN BROWN AND THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD

The Underground Railroad in the ... - Google Book Search

http://library.thinkquest.org/CR0215469/life_of_a_slave.htm

African American Registry -- Your Source for African American History

RW ONLINE:The Slave Rebellion of General Nat Turner




So are you saying those that come here to escape poverty and horrible living conditions in hopes of giving their children a better life, where food is readily available and they're able to work rather than possibly making their kids work at 8 or 10 years old are patriots that should be celebrated because they're breaking the law to do a morally good thing? Is that what you're saying?

They are not patriots maybe to their home countries they are but not here.
 
Wait...

But they're breaking laws to help protect or better the life of people....I thought that's a good reason to break the law in your mind. It seems to be what you're saying here. That this man should be commended for breaking the laws of the united states simply to help protect or better the life of people.

Its sad to know you think so lowely of the soverignty and integrity of the law of the United States of America Jamesrage. It seems you don't give a **** about the law, unless its agreeing with you. I guess you're an phony "the law matters" type of person.
 
So does that mean you do not look at underground railroad participants as heroes? After all they violated the law for what they believed in?

Who did the underground railroad murder? Nobody? Thanks for playing! See what you fail to comprehend is the difference in killing somebody and just breaking the law. Personally? I jaywalk. Yeah okay but I got **** to do. I'm breaking the law. But will I start killing people who oppose jay walking? No. Will I force other people to jaywalk? No. I mean you support murder to get your goals accomplished. That is extremism. :)

If you truely believe abortion is nothing more than legalized serial killing or mass murder then you should support the few who go out and risk life in prison or the death penalty to take out a baby killing monster. The mother who gets an abortion should be seen as nothing more than a legalized 1st degree murderer or at least someone involved in a legal murder for hire.

Wow. Yeah....insane in the membrane.

Abortion and illegal immigration are two separate thing.

Bull****. You support breaking the law when it suits you. You don't support it when it's for something you oppose.

A vigilante action equivalent to an abortionist being killed with illegal immigration would be kidnapping illegals and flying them back to their countries. Since that is what is usually done with illegals just as execution is usually what is done with serial killers. Killing illegals inside the country would be excessive. Killing baby killing monsters is not excessive.

Because you support one. And not the other. See? You don't really care about the law until it suits you.

I fully expect you and other abortionist to condemn Scott Roeder,call him a whack job,terrorist or what ever other name you all have called him and call Tiller the baby killer a hero. After all in your eyes abortion is nothing more than the removal of expendable non sentient organs. So you and other abortionist view Scott Roeder as someone who murdered a poor innocent doctor who removes something equivalent to that of a toe nail, pancreas or tonsils. So it makes sense why you and others like you would condemn that man.

Roeder is a wack job, a terrorist and I honestly could care less about Tiller. I didn't even know who the guy was up until a few months ago. And even when I knew? I still couldn't have cared less. I condemn Roeder because he decided to ignore democracy and actually made pro-lifers look even more insane then they currently do. To me it was a win-win situation at the end of the day. Pro-lifers from Operation Rescue and such look insane for harboring a terrorist. They killed somebody who they thought was a boogieman and I get to laugh at it all from a political point of view.
 
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You don't use questionable techniques such as EIT for a fishing expeditions, terrorist or not.
 
Who did the underground railroad murder? Nobody? Thanks for playing!
Did all abolitionist not kill or harm anyone?

See what you fail to comprehend is the difference in killing somebody and just breaking the law.
I do see the difference.Tiller got away with killing lots somebodies and would have continued to get away with if Roeder didn't take his life


Personally? I jaywalk. Yeah okay but I got **** to do. I'm breaking the law. But will I start killing people who oppose jay walking? No. Will I force other people to jaywalk? No. I mean you support murder to get your goals accomplished. That is extremism. :)

Jay walking is not a execution worth offence. Killing babies is
Wow. Yeah....insane in the membrane.

So says the sadistic man who supports abortion. You people have absolutely no room to question anyone's sanity.
Bull****. You support breaking the law when it suits you. You don't support it when it's for something you oppose.

Do you do the same thing when you spark up?

Because you support one. And not the other. See? You don't really care about the law until it suits you.

I support vigilante justice when the law fails. The justice system has either ignored or failed those in the womb.

Roeder is a wack job, a terrorist and I honestly could care less about Tiller. I didn't even know who the guy was up until a few months ago. And even when I knew? I still couldn't have cared less. I condemn Roeder because he decided to ignore democracy

Yes let out all your pro abortionist rhetoric.


actually made pro-lifers look even more insane then they currently do.

So you pro abortionist already view pro-lifers/anti-abortionist as insane regardless even if no one never took Tiller the baby killer's life?

To me it was a win-win situation at the end of the day. Pro-lifers from Operation Rescue and such look insane for harboring a terrorist. They killed somebody who they thought was a boogieman and I get to laugh at it all from a political point of view.

I look at it as win for the babies Tiller would have eventually killed. Because of Roeder there is one less abortionist and one third of the late term abortion providers has been eliminated.
 
Who did the underground railroad murder? Nobody? Thanks for playing! See what you fail to comprehend is the difference in killing somebody and just breaking the law. Personally? I jaywalk. Yeah okay but I got **** to do. I'm breaking the law. But will I start killing people who oppose jay walking? No. Will I force other people to jaywalk? No. I mean you support murder to get your goals accomplished. That is extremism. :)

In review I over personalized this and somewhat misread your message, but no time to correct it either.

Many Americans are conditioned from birth to believe in the law-god. I don’t. “It’s the Law” is the voice of the government-god we are to worship and dedicate our existence to servitude to.

You are dogmatic about government-law, it is essentially your moral code – meaning other people picked your morals for you. At least concerning "murder." I guess that is easiest. Safest anyway.

I am pragmatic about government-law. To me it is just another version of might-makes-right. Not once in my life has the law-god protected me. It is extremely rare that the law-god protects anyone. It might try to punish someone later, guilty or innocent.

I suppose my view might be why I’ve been handcuffed, detained, arrested and/or jailed many times for various reasons for investigation of possible crimes of assault, aggravated assault and once for aggravated sexual assault of a minor. No convictions. So by the law-god I was innocent of the crime. Sometimes I wasn’t and they knew it (I was fully of the sexual assault matter.) But agreed to my assaulting the other person anyway. Like a child abuser. In my view what I was doing was right – or allowed - ethically by my ethics, correct jungle justice as otherwise there was no justice, enforcement of alternative culture law, or just because that’s how it is - or could get away with it.

It is also because most people believe in the law-god that I would rarely ever defend anyone even if I easily could by doing little more than telling the other person or people to knock it off. I had no problem watching a bully or bullies beat up some little guy for the hell of it. Let his law-god protect him now. I knew he would not only not defend me, he never even bothered to worry of or prepare for defending themselves. So now its my burden because I did? It wasn't for him.

You’re stressing that “murder” is the distinction separate from any other illegal activity? I guess that means whether you would kill someone or not depends singularly on whether or not the government allows (or requires) you to. All the omega sheep say baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Tiller made a mistake almost everyone does. He believed the law-god would protect him. It rarely ever protects anyone. In simple terms, he was dogmatically accurate among the law-god worshippers, but pragmatically (meaning reality) he was a fool. Knowing tens of millions of people believed he was a mass baby murderer, he believed the law-god would protect him from reality. He believed he was above reality. Little different than someone stepping out into a crosswalk in fast heavy traffic knowing the law says pedestrians have the right-of-way.

”Ye though I walk through the valley of death I will fear no evil. For I have my copy of the 3nd annotated penal code with me.” A foolish man died for his foolery.

Rule of law says he is to be punished. It is individual discretion as to whether to also curse him.
 
Should Tiller the baby killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded for information? Some of have claimed the man is a terrorist or an extremist nutjob and Scott Roeder has claimed that there is more to come.


Please keep in mind this poll question is aimed at abortionist and the anti-abortion phonies who claim to be anti-abortion on the belief that "fetuses" are babies in the womb, so there will be no poll options for those of us who are actually anti-abortion.


Accused Abortion Doctor Killer Claims More Violence Is Planned - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com
Scott Roeder, being held on charges of first-degree murder and aggravated assault in the killing of Dr. George Tiller one week ago, called The Associated Press from the Sedgwick County jail.

Tiller, whose Wichita clinic was among only a few in the U.S. performing third-trimester abortions, was shot while serving as an usher at the Lutheran church he attended.

"I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal," Roeder said.

He would not elaborate.tion Friday to see if the gunman who killed Tiller had accomplices. The DOJ said its Civil Rights Division and the U.S. attorney's office in Kansas will seek to determine if the killing violated a 1994 law creating criminal penalties for violent or damaging conduct toward abortion providers and their patients.


No as an American citizen he has the unalienable rights to due process. If he wasn't a citizen I'd say go for it but waterboarding would probably be useless in this case due to him apparently being a lone wolf terrorist rather than a member of a terrorist network. Waterboarding should never be used as a punishment but rather only as an interrogation method.
 
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Ahh, its all clear now.

James actually supports a more ancient muslim style of law? Hamurabi's code type thing James? Eye for an eye? I didn't realize you hated democracy and the United States legal system so much. So because he killed babies in your mind, mind you legally, it should be perfectly okay and celebrated to kill him. Eye for an eye right. Just like you say its apparently fine to pick up illegals and take them back if they come here illegally, eye for an eye.

So I can only assume a phony "supporter of the United States of America" that likes eye for an eye type punishment would also agree with say...chopping off peoples hands if they steal. Will need to remember to make sure if a 12 year old is caught shop lifting we need to get a hatchet in the future. If you unknowingly slept with another man's wife I'm sure you'd have no issue with him cutting off your penis as punishment, eye for an eye right? Or he could just have his way with whatever woman you found most important in your life as punishment for it. Ahh yes james, eye for an eye regardless of the law is an intriguing thought.....entirely unamerican, but intriguing all the same.
 
Ahh, its all clear now.

James actually supports a more ancient muslim style of law? Hamurabi's code type thing James? Eye for an eye? I didn't realize you hated democracy and the United States legal system so much. So because he killed babies in your mind, mind you legally, it should be perfectly okay and celebrated to kill him. Eye for an eye right. Just like you say its apparently fine to pick up illegals and take them back if they come here illegally, eye for an eye.

Um he's talking about Tiller who killed the abortion doctor who he referred to as a baby killer. I think you misread the title.
 
Um he's talking about Tiller who killed the abortion doctor who he referred to as a baby killer. I think you misread the title.

Umm...first, Tiller WAS the abortion doctor, not the person that killed him.

Second, I understand what he's saying. He's calling anyone that is against abortion, but doesn't celebrate, condone, and agree with the action of a man murdering someone else a "phony" abortionist. He apparently believes that the laws of this country do not matter and that people should be celebrated, condoned, and applauded for breaking those laws and ending a life. His justification for this is that Tiller, legally, ended other lives. This is eye for eye judgement. I had not realized that James was for such barbaric, anti-american, forms of justice but it seems this thread has corrected me. In a very similar jamesrage type of way, the only people I can see that are celebrating and condoning a man murdering someone but say they support the United States of America and its laws are "phony supporters of the United States of America".
 
Um he's talking about Tiller who killed the abortion doctor who he referred to as a baby killer. I think you misread the title.

So he is saying two wrongs can make a right? Or what?
 
Ahh, its all clear now.

James actually supports a more ancient muslim style of law? Hamurabi's code type thing James? Eye for an eye? I didn't realize you hated democracy and the United States legal system so much. So because he killed babies in your mind, mind you legally, it should be perfectly okay and celebrated to kill him. Eye for an eye right. Just like you say its apparently fine to pick up illegals and take them back if they come here illegally, eye for an eye.


Abortion wasn't legalized because some elected politicians made some laws with the approval of voters. It was legalized because of some judges. So please do not play the oh your against democracy line again. A baby killing monster is dead, hell yes I am going to glad just like when any other mass murderer or serial killer gets killed.


So I can only assume a phony "supporter of the United States of America" that likes eye for an eye type punishment would also agree with say...chopping off peoples hands if they steal. Will need to remember to make sure if a 12 year old is caught shop lifting we need to get a hatchet in the future. If you unknowingly slept with another man's wife I'm sure you'd have no issue with him cutting off your penis as punishment, eye for an eye right? Or he could just have his way with whatever woman you found most important in your life as punishment for it. Ahh yes james, eye for an eye regardless of the law is an intriguing thought.....entirely unamerican, but intriguing all the same.


Amazing how you compare the killing of Tiller the baby killer to chopping off hands for stealing. Are you trying to say that executions are an eye for an eye and this it is unAmerican? Executions are American.
 
Amazing how you compare the killing of Tiller the baby killer to chopping off hands for stealing. Are you trying to say that executions are an eye for an eye and this it is unAmerican? Executions are American.

No, the death penalty following a fair trial is perhaps American.

"Execution" in the term of some guy going and deciding some other guy needs to die is highly unamerican. But you can continue your little phony "Support of the USA" parade if you wish, its fine.
 
No, the death penalty following a fair trial is perhaps American.

"Execution" in the term of some guy going and deciding some other guy needs to die is highly unamerican. But you can continue your little phony "Support of the USA" parade if you wish, its fine.

I wouldn't call any of the abolitionist, people who escaped slavery, Slaves who taught other slaves to read, people who refused to sit on the back of be UnAmerican because they refused to listen to unjust laws with out a fair trial. People like Harriet Tubman, Nat Turner, Frederick Douglas and others like them who refused to obey the law were great Americans. So your characterization of any one who refuses to obey the law without a fair trial or due process or support of those individuals is ludicrous. Would you call every pothead or someone who has at least tried illegal drugs unAmerican because they violated the law without due process or a fair trial?
 
Nope, just calling those that make a gigantic deal about a group of people doing something illegal because it hurts the soveriegnty of this country but then turns around and condones, supports, and attacks anyone that doesn't agree with a guy murdering someone and doing vigilante justice completely outside of the law a "phony supporter of the USA". I'm just following in your footsteps of creating idiotic, ignorant, dumb as **** definitions for people who don't fit my view of a scenario. I'm learning from the master.
 
Nope, just calling those that make a gigantic deal about a group of people doing something illegal because it hurts the soveriegnty
of this country but then turns around and condones, supports, and attacks anyone that doesn't agree with a guy murdering someone and doing vigilante justice completely outside of the law a "phony supporter of the USA". I'm just following in your footsteps of creating idiotic, ignorant, dumb as **** definitions for people who don't fit my view of a scenario. I'm learning from the master.

You are just trying to grasp at straws aren't you? First you claim that some illegals are patriots then you try to make some crock of **** comparison with hands being chopped off. then you claim I am anti-American because I support vigilantism and during that I prove to you that many great Americans have disobeyed the law and have even killed others. Now you are trying to come up with some other bull ****.
 
What do you mean by real torture? Waterboarding is real torture or not?
 
It's torture if done by a Republican.

It's not torture if done by an Anti-Republican.

Ok, seems to be in the power of definition of socialists.

PS: Seriously, it was one of the methods the GESTAPO used and extremely terrifying for the prisoners of the GESTAPO.
 
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