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Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

  • Yes he is a terrorist and should be waterboarded here for info

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  • No he is not a terrorist but waterboarding or torture should be used on him

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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If you do not think he is an anti-abortion terrorist or simply think waterboarding is wrong no matter who the terrorist is there is a option for you.

Your thread fails, sir, because you are attempting to equate a lone mentally disturbed person whose intent was to kill one specific individual based on his obsession with abortion issues, with generic anti-American terrorists presumably intent on killing as many complete strangers as possible for a variety of reasons (not the least of which is our meddling in their affairs).

Not only is waterboarding illegal and immoral, not only have we prosecuted others for waterboarding, we don't and never have waterboarded murdering anti-abortion nutjobs.

Roeder needs psychiatric care, to be administered within the confines of a fortified psychiatric hospital, preferably for the rest of his natural life.
 
You asked if water baording was the only way to extract info. I said that since he is really dedicated to his beliefs then methods that are not extreme are not going to work.How do you suggest information be extracted from that man?

It was a pretty straight forward question yet you insist on playing this circular logic BS.
 
You kind of lost me there, James. Could you explain what that means a little more clearly?

What I mean is the phonies who claim to be anti-abortion(with the belief that fetuses are babies/humans deserving of life outside the womb) while condemning a man who kills an abortion provider(Abortion providers should be seen as a legal serial killer mass murder in the eyes of the anti-abortionist).

IN other words-

phony anti-abortionist: Abortion is murder!,abortionist kill babies! What someone killed an abortion provider, curse him! he is a terrorist! and whack job extremist murderer!.

Abortionist: Yeah Tiller's murderer is a terrorist and a whack job extremist murderer.
 
It was a pretty straight forward question yet you insist on playing this circular logic BS.
I am sure there are other methods for extracting information. So water boarding isn't the only one. However I do not think anything less extreme than water boarding will work.
 
I am sure there are other methods for extracting information. So water boarding isn't the only one. However I do not think anything less extreme than water boarding will work.

Is this opinion based upon your years of experience as a criminal interrogator? Is it also your opinion that waterboarding should then be used routinely to interrogate suspects of crimes in the U.S.?
 
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I'm sending you a PM, James.



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I have said repeatedly that torture is a moral issue to me. Torture, EIT's, whatever you want to call them are wrong to my mind. That is still the case in this case, torture is still wrong, and so we should not do it. Why would that change?
 
So far, Roeder is accused of one shooting--one homicide.

Other than his ominous hints, there is no evidence Operation Rescue is fomenting violence and vigilantism against corrupt abortion doctors like Tiller.

Further, Roeder committed his crime in Wichita Kansas.

Roeder is a murderer, not a terrorist, and thus should be tried for that crime in Kansas, and punished accordingly if (when?) found guilty.
 
I have said repeatedly that torture is a moral issue to me. Torture, EIT's, whatever you want to call them are wrong to my mind. That is still the case in this case, torture is still wrong, and so we should not do it. Why would that change?

Maybe you do not want to see any more abortion providers killed, I could be wrong but I think there is around 1500 plus abortion providers in this country and only a hand full of late term abortion providers.
 
Maybe you do not want to see any more abortion providers killed, I could be wrong but I think there is around 1500 plus abortion providers in this country and only a hand full of late term abortion providers.

So what is your point? Right is right, wrong is wrong, and just because there is risk involved in doing what is right does not mean you should not do what is right.
 
Should Tiller the baby killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded for information? Some of have claimed the man is a terrorist or an extremist nutjob and Scott Roeder has claimed that there is more to come.


Please keep in mind this poll question is aimed at abortionist and the anti-abortion phonies who claim to be anti-abortion on the belief that "fetuses" are babies in the womb, so there will be no poll options for those of us who are actually anti-abortion.


Accused Abortion Doctor Killer Claims More Violence Is Planned - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com
Scott Roeder, being held on charges of first-degree murder and aggravated assault in the killing of Dr. George Tiller one week ago, called The Associated Press from the Sedgwick County jail.

Tiller, whose Wichita clinic was among only a few in the U.S. performing third-trimester abortions, was shot while serving as an usher at the Lutheran church he attended.

"I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal," Roeder said.

He would not elaborate.tion Friday to see if the gunman who killed Tiller had accomplices. The DOJ said its Civil Rights Division and the U.S. attorney's office in Kansas will seek to determine if the killing violated a 1994 law creating criminal penalties for violent or damaging conduct toward abortion providers and their patients.

I believe this man is connected to Army of God, a domestic terrorist group, therefore I personally believe he's a terrorist.

I support torturing terrorists.

Send his ass to Git'mo.
 
I don't understand why given the advancements in medicine, neurology, and psychology a government as technology advanced as the United States still has to employ a primitive method of torture like water boarding to get information out of people.

I understand the administration of truth serums is still considered torture, but I highly doubt there would be a public outcry over sticking a needle in someone and extracting information without any long term physical ailments or extreme short term physical discomfort.

Did MKULTRA and MKDELTA really fail that hard?

There has to be programs in the works or methods currently being used to get information in a far easier manner. If they weren't, I am sure they are now.
 
[Is Tiller's killer] ...a terrorist or an extremist nutjob...

Is there a difference? As long as a person commits an act of violence to defend an ideology or religious view shared by more than one person then they are technically a terrorist.
 
Is there a difference? As long as a person commits an act of violence to defend an ideology or religious view shared by more than one person then they are technically a terrorist.

I have an uncle who's a retired Army Ranger. He's the first one who ever told me that over here, they're our freedom fighters, but over there, they're terrorists.

Terrorism is a combat style, not an ideology. It's basically gorilla warfare.
 
I think Tillers killer should be tried and if convicted then punished to the full extent of the law....

as for Tiller.....he just got a "late term abortion"
..and when he gets to the pigIron gates of hell....I do suppose Satan will say....

"what goes around......:rofl
 
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phony anti-abortionist: Abortion is murder!,abortionist kill babies! What someone killed an abortion provider, curse him! he is a terrorist! and whack job extremist murderer!.

So essentially you're saying the only way to be considered a "real" anti-abortionist by Jamesrage is if you revel in someones death and the breaking of our law....


....wait a moment, aren't you the same person that is CONSTANTLY bitching and complaining about illegal immigrants because them even being in this country shows they don't give a **** about our rule of law and as such we shouldn't make concessions to them? And yet if someone finds that a person BREAKING THE LAW and killing someone to be a horrible thing that is the act of an extremist they're somehow "phony" in their dislike for abortion?


Excuse me while I laugh.
 
What I mean is the phonies who claim to be anti-abortion(with the belief that fetuses are babies/humans deserving of life outside the womb) while condemning a man who kills an abortion provider(Abortion providers should be seen as a legal serial killer mass murder in the eyes of the anti-abortionist).

IN other words-

phony anti-abortionist: Abortion is murder!,abortionist kill babies! What someone killed an abortion provider, curse him! he is a terrorist! and whack job extremist murderer!.

Abortionist: Yeah Tiller's murderer is a terrorist and a whack job extremist murderer.

Condemning somebody for the murder of an abortion provider makes you a phony anti-antiabortionist? Last I checked the people who condemned Tiller's murderer also condemned Tiller for his work.

You're being very selective in your labeling James.
 
Condemning somebody for the murder of an abortion provider makes you a phony anti-antiabortionist?


Last I checked the people who condemned Tiller's murderer also condemned Tiller for his work.

You're being very selective in your labeling James

Last I checked most people who claim to pro-life or antiabortion claim to be that because they believe babies inside the womb are no different than those outside the womb. With that mind every person calling him or herself pro-life or antiabortion for that reason should see Tiller as a monster who is basically a serial killer or legal mass murderer who needed to stopped mo matter what. So therefore with those above things also in mind Tiller's killer should be seen as a hero by those who claim to be against abortion because they view that a baby in the womb is no different than one outside the womb. So I have wonder how many of them were holding their tongue as to not look nuts to a group of people who already look at them as nuts every time they want a law changed to restrict or severely restrict abortion or want abortion stopped period. When a monster gets killed I could care less who kills him. I am not going to condemn a man that basically killed a legal mass murderer/serial killer. From what I understand Tiller was one of three late term abortionist, so Scott Roeder took out a huge chunk of the late term abortion providers.
 
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Last I checked most people who claim to pro-life or antiabortion claim to be that because they believe babies inside the womb are no different than those outside the womb.

And what does this have to do with condemning somebody for committing murder in the name of their beliefs?

With that mind every person calling him or herself pro-life or antiabortion for that reason should see Tiller as a monster who is basically a serial killer or legal mass murderer who needed to stopped mo matter what.

And what does this have to do with condemning somebody for committing murder in the name of their beliefs?

So therefore with those above things also in mind Tiller's killer should be seen as a hero by those who claim to be against abortion because they view that a baby in the womb is no different than one outside the womb.

Hahahaha. False. Thinking that abortion is murder does not mean you should support killing people who provide such a service anymore then it means you should kill women getting abortions.

So I have wonder how many of them were holding their tongue as to not look nuts to a group of people who already look at them as nuts every time they want a law changed to restrict or severely restrict abortion or want abortion stopped period. When a monster gets killed I could care less who kills him. I am not going to condemn a man that basically killed a legal mass murderer/serial killer. From what I understand Tiller was one of three late term abortionist, so Scott Roeder took out a huge chunk of the late term abortion providers.

Hahahaha. Well. It's good to know you're officially insane and only care about the law when it comes to illegal immigrants. Opposing abortion and saying those who provide the service should be killed are two entirely different things. It's like saying you're against illegal immigration and would have immigrants be executed for it. It's extremism. While I do agree with you that the number of people who support this in the pro-life side are probably larger then we can see. You'll find very few people who will admit it on the pro-life side.
 
So James...what you're saying is as long as you feel its morally okay and it helps push your agenda of what you feel is right for the rights of humans (in this case the baby) its perfectly okay and you should be applauded for breaking the laws of the United States of America?
 
So James...what you're saying is as long as you feel its morally okay and it helps push your agenda of what you feel is right for the rights of humans (in this case the baby) its perfectly okay and you should be applauded for breaking the laws of the United States of America?

So the underground railroad participants were wrong for helping blacks escape slavery and the blacks who escaped from slavery were wrong for escaping? Are you saying that those people should have been condemned by the abolitionist for breaking the law and that they should have just sat there doing nothing until the law changed? Is that what you are saying?
 
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