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    Re: Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So the underground railroad participants were wrong for helping blacks escape slavery and the blacks who escaped from slavery were wrong for escaping? Are you saying that those people should have been condemned by the abolitionist for breaking the law and that they should have just sat there doing nothing until the law changed? Is that what you are saying?
    No. I'm saying that while I wouldn't be calling for their head, I also wouldn't be celebrating them, as they were impugning the laws of this country and likely hurting their movement by doing such things. However, I'd also say the underground railroad action did no physical damage generally to someone, while in this case someone was murdered.

    So are you saying those that come here to escape poverty and horrible living conditions in hopes of giving their children a better life, where food is readily available and they're able to work rather than possibly making their kids work at 8 or 10 years old are patriots that should be celebrated because they're breaking the law to do a morally good thing? Is that what you're saying?
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    Re: Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

    I voted hell no. If I support even torturing a scum bag like him, then I am no better than he is.
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    Re: Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's basically gorilla warfare.


    Gorilla warfare is scary stuff.

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    Re: Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post


    Gorilla warfare is scary stuff.
    LOL that was a good catch there.

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    Re: Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No. I'm saying that while I wouldn't be calling for their head, I also wouldn't be celebrating them, as they were impugning the laws of this country and likely hurting their movement by doing such things.



    However, I'd also say the underground railroad action did no physical damage generally to someone, while in this case someone was murdered.
    Abolitionist were not a bunch of pacifist. You seem to forget these people literally risked their lives to help people escape slavery or to escape slavery themselves.

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    So are you saying those that come here to escape poverty and horrible living conditions in hopes of giving their children a better life, where food is readily available and they're able to work rather than possibly making their kids work at 8 or 10 years old are patriots that should be celebrated because they're breaking the law to do a morally good thing? Is that what you're saying?
    They are not patriots maybe to their home countries they are but not here.
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    Re: Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

    Wait...

    But they're breaking laws to help protect or better the life of people....I thought that's a good reason to break the law in your mind. It seems to be what you're saying here. That this man should be commended for breaking the laws of the united states simply to help protect or better the life of people.

    Its sad to know you think so lowely of the soverignty and integrity of the law of the United States of America Jamesrage. It seems you don't give a **** about the law, unless its agreeing with you. I guess you're an phony "the law matters" type of person.
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    Re: Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So does that mean you do not look at underground railroad participants as heroes? After all they violated the law for what they believed in?
    Who did the underground railroad murder? Nobody? Thanks for playing! See what you fail to comprehend is the difference in killing somebody and just breaking the law. Personally? I jaywalk. Yeah okay but I got **** to do. I'm breaking the law. But will I start killing people who oppose jay walking? No. Will I force other people to jaywalk? No. I mean you support murder to get your goals accomplished. That is extremism.

    If you truely believe abortion is nothing more than legalized serial killing or mass murder then you should support the few who go out and risk life in prison or the death penalty to take out a baby killing monster. The mother who gets an abortion should be seen as nothing more than a legalized 1st degree murderer or at least someone involved in a legal murder for hire.
    Wow. Yeah....insane in the membrane.

    Abortion and illegal immigration are two separate thing.
    Bull****. You support breaking the law when it suits you. You don't support it when it's for something you oppose.

    A vigilante action equivalent to an abortionist being killed with illegal immigration would be kidnapping illegals and flying them back to their countries. Since that is what is usually done with illegals just as execution is usually what is done with serial killers. Killing illegals inside the country would be excessive. Killing baby killing monsters is not excessive.
    Because you support one. And not the other. See? You don't really care about the law until it suits you.

    I fully expect you and other abortionist to condemn Scott Roeder,call him a whack job,terrorist or what ever other name you all have called him and call Tiller the baby killer a hero. After all in your eyes abortion is nothing more than the removal of expendable non sentient organs. So you and other abortionist view Scott Roeder as someone who murdered a poor innocent doctor who removes something equivalent to that of a toe nail, pancreas or tonsils. So it makes sense why you and others like you would condemn that man.
    Roeder is a wack job, a terrorist and I honestly could care less about Tiller. I didn't even know who the guy was up until a few months ago. And even when I knew? I still couldn't have cared less. I condemn Roeder because he decided to ignore democracy and actually made pro-lifers look even more insane then they currently do. To me it was a win-win situation at the end of the day. Pro-lifers from Operation Rescue and such look insane for harboring a terrorist. They killed somebody who they thought was a boogieman and I get to laugh at it all from a political point of view.
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    Re: Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

    You don't use questionable techniques such as EIT for a fishing expeditions, terrorist or not.
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    Re: Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who did the underground railroad murder? Nobody? Thanks for playing!
    Did all abolitionist not kill or harm anyone?

    See what you fail to comprehend is the difference in killing somebody and just breaking the law.
    I do see the difference.Tiller got away with killing lots somebodies and would have continued to get away with if Roeder didn't take his life


    Personally? I jaywalk. Yeah okay but I got **** to do. I'm breaking the law. But will I start killing people who oppose jay walking? No. Will I force other people to jaywalk? No. I mean you support murder to get your goals accomplished. That is extremism.
    Jay walking is not a execution worth offence. Killing babies is
    Wow. Yeah....insane in the membrane.
    So says the sadistic man who supports abortion. You people have absolutely no room to question anyone's sanity.
    Bull****. You support breaking the law when it suits you. You don't support it when it's for something you oppose.
    Do you do the same thing when you spark up?


    Because you support one. And not the other. See? You don't really care about the law until it suits you.
    I support vigilante justice when the law fails. The justice system has either ignored or failed those in the womb.

    Roeder is a wack job, a terrorist and I honestly could care less about Tiller. I didn't even know who the guy was up until a few months ago. And even when I knew? I still couldn't have cared less. I condemn Roeder because he decided to ignore democracy
    Yes let out all your pro abortionist rhetoric.


    actually made pro-lifers look even more insane then they currently do.
    So you pro abortionist already view pro-lifers/anti-abortionist as insane regardless even if no one never took Tiller the baby killer's life?

    To me it was a win-win situation at the end of the day. Pro-lifers from Operation Rescue and such look insane for harboring a terrorist. They killed somebody who they thought was a boogieman and I get to laugh at it all from a political point of view.
    I look at it as win for the babies Tiller would have eventually killed. Because of Roeder there is one less abortionist and one third of the late term abortion providers has been eliminated.
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    Re: Should Tiller the Baby Killer's murder suspect go to GITMO to get water boarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who did the underground railroad murder? Nobody? Thanks for playing! See what you fail to comprehend is the difference in killing somebody and just breaking the law. Personally? I jaywalk. Yeah okay but I got **** to do. I'm breaking the law. But will I start killing people who oppose jay walking? No. Will I force other people to jaywalk? No. I mean you support murder to get your goals accomplished. That is extremism.
    In review I over personalized this and somewhat misread your message, but no time to correct it either.

    Many Americans are conditioned from birth to believe in the law-god. I don’t. “It’s the Law” is the voice of the government-god we are to worship and dedicate our existence to servitude to.

    You are dogmatic about government-law, it is essentially your moral code – meaning other people picked your morals for you. At least concerning "murder." I guess that is easiest. Safest anyway.

    I am pragmatic about government-law. To me it is just another version of might-makes-right. Not once in my life has the law-god protected me. It is extremely rare that the law-god protects anyone. It might try to punish someone later, guilty or innocent.

    I suppose my view might be why I’ve been handcuffed, detained, arrested and/or jailed many times for various reasons for investigation of possible crimes of assault, aggravated assault and once for aggravated sexual assault of a minor. No convictions. So by the law-god I was innocent of the crime. Sometimes I wasn’t and they knew it (I was fully of the sexual assault matter.) But agreed to my assaulting the other person anyway. Like a child abuser. In my view what I was doing was right – or allowed - ethically by my ethics, correct jungle justice as otherwise there was no justice, enforcement of alternative culture law, or just because that’s how it is - or could get away with it.

    It is also because most people believe in the law-god that I would rarely ever defend anyone even if I easily could by doing little more than telling the other person or people to knock it off. I had no problem watching a bully or bullies beat up some little guy for the hell of it. Let his law-god protect him now. I knew he would not only not defend me, he never even bothered to worry of or prepare for defending themselves. So now its my burden because I did? It wasn't for him.

    You’re stressing that “murder” is the distinction separate from any other illegal activity? I guess that means whether you would kill someone or not depends singularly on whether or not the government allows (or requires) you to. All the omega sheep say baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

    Tiller made a mistake almost everyone does. He believed the law-god would protect him. It rarely ever protects anyone. In simple terms, he was dogmatically accurate among the law-god worshippers, but pragmatically (meaning reality) he was a fool. Knowing tens of millions of people believed he was a mass baby murderer, he believed the law-god would protect him from reality. He believed he was above reality. Little different than someone stepping out into a crosswalk in fast heavy traffic knowing the law says pedestrians have the right-of-way.

    ”Ye though I walk through the valley of death I will fear no evil. For I have my copy of the 3nd annotated penal code with me.” A foolish man died for his foolery.

    Rule of law says he is to be punished. It is individual discretion as to whether to also curse him.

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