View Poll Results: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

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  • Hiroshima was worse

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  • Torture is worse

    4 14.29%
  • Hiroshima was neseccary

    22 78.57%
  • Torture was neseccary

    8 28.57%
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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    That's my theory anyway. In any case, you cannot say with concrete certainty that wars will always be a reality. I think humans have the capacity now to evolve past that.
    Quite the optimist!
    War is, at its base, a product of human nature.
    Human nature does not change.

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    . In the future, energy technologies will eliminate such material inequities. With energy surpluses, anything can be made. (Fusion reaction is one example that will become a reality in the next 50 years.) .
    Electricity from fission will be so cheap that it won't be metered.
    Fusion is just around the corner.
    I read both those lies in Popular Science, in the early 60's.......
    Fusion has a lot of problems that you don't read about in the papers. If all the problems were known to the politicians voting in the funding for fusion research, the funding would dry up....
    I hope you are young enough to see it, but don't count on it. How old will you be 50 years from now?
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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Simple. God isn't a moron.
    Prove that.

    He's responsible for Obama supporters, isn't he?

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Electricity from fission will be so cheap that it won't be metered.
    Fusion is just around the corner.
    I read both those lies in Popular Science, in the early 60's.......
    Fusion has a lot of problems that you don't read about in the papers. If all the problems were known to the politicians voting in the funding for fusion research, the funding would dry up....
    I hope you are young enough to see it, but don't count on it. How old will you be 50 years from now?
    If you do web searches on the latest research, you'll see promising innovations. The biggest hinderance to research right now is lack of investment. Governments are still held captive by the fossil fuel industries.

    As for my age... that's not really relevant to my belief that human kind will progress to higher standards of living, balance with the environment, and each other. If I'm not alive to see it, then that's unfortunate, but it's still going to happen.

    We simply cannot continue on our current path if we want to survive the coming global challenges. This goes for all countries, not just the ones that are developing.

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Quite the optimist!
    War is, at its base, a product of human nature.
    Human nature does not change.
    Human nature does change, but very slowly. There have been several large paradigm shifts in the past 1000 years. It takes time. I think the shifts are coming at quicker intervals now because of how the world is interconnected. We are having to realize things faster than ever.

    I'm curious to see if we can continue to maintain the current momentum without letting critical things slip by that could destroy us all.

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    No, they didn't. No bomb drops were needed, as the Japanese were already willing to surrender.
    No they weren't far from it. Man I hate the when folks make this stupid comment and have no clue about WWII History.

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    Neither was necessary.
    NO !
    The use of the nuclear bomb was necessary...I cannot see how any sane man can dispute this.
    The torture, during the war was also necessary, effective, I do not know..
    Today, I'd say that the torture is wrong.
    War, at any time is wrong, is hellish, but usually necessary...
    Man is supposed to learn from his mistakes, sometimes he does....thus far.

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Prove that.

    He's responsible for Obama supporters, isn't he?
    Human beings have free will. It is not god's nature to monitor and control everything humans do, because god isn't a person who is fallible like we are. God is a verb, not a noun. At least, that is my perception of the matter.

    Humans voted for Obama, not god.

    Nice try though.

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Human nature does change, but very slowly.
    Nah.

    People will always act in what they find to be in their best interest.
    What one person finds in his best interest will, eventually, conflict with what someone finds to be in HIS best intrest. If no arrangement can be made, conflict will ensue, and the issue will be resolved with force, or the credible threat thereof.

    Societies are just groups of people.

    There have been several large paradigm shifts in the past 1000 years.
    The paradigm I describe, above, is not one of them.

    I'm curious to see if we can continue to maintain the current momentum without letting critical things slip by that could destroy us all.
    In all reality, societies are 'evolving' farther and farther away from basic human instincts; this evolution, driven by technology, is accelerating.
    This almost certainly will lead to some sort of catastrophic collapse.

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If you do web searches on the latest research, you'll see promising innovations. The biggest hinderance to research right now is lack of investment. Governments are still held captive by the fossil fuel industries.

    As for my age... that's not really relevant to my belief that human kind will progress to higher standards of living, balance with the environment, and each other. If I'm not alive to see it, then that's unfortunate, but it's still going to happen.

    We simply cannot continue on our current path if we want to survive the coming global challenges. This goes for all countries, not just the ones that are developing.
    I agree with parts 2 and 3, but not with the first part.

    fossil fuel has almost zero connection to the generation of electricity, which is all fusion is good for....apples and oranges.
    If and when it happens, it will take 50 years to replace a substantial number of the existing coal plants.
    as for lack of investment, no, not at all. Billions have gone into fusion research, there are some horrendous problems to overcome, and money alone won't fix that. You would get better results spending those billions on public schools.
    Promising innovations? I spent some time working around nuclear research in Idaho. Promising innovations is what they say when they are seeking more funding to support research in areas where they have yet to succeed, and see no light at the end of the tunnel.

    and, to beat my favorite dead horse, our ubersmart leaders have yet to ask us to conserve energy.....the ONE thing we can do now, can do now for free, and definitely works, no research needed.

    We waste a very large percentage of our energy, and will continue to do so until the meter is on the "E".....

    THEN, there will be a big war, one where we will be the aggressor and we will be killing innocent civilians in other countries because they were using "our" energy....
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