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  • Hiroshima was worse

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  • Torture is worse

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    That's the entire point; the US was more willing to kill 200,000 civilians than negotiate.
    How many were killed in Dresden? How many were killed in Tokyo?
    Negotiate? that would only lead to further conflicts in the future. We needed to totally destroy the enemies or risk WW3. Just as the Allies not fully defeating Germany in WW1 led to WW2.


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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Bingo. The only certainity in the willingness of Japan to surrender is presented only by those with an agenda to impugn the US. Instead of analyzing the events and the facts in a neutral fashion and then rendering a conclusion, history and events are revised or aligned such that the predetermined goal of impugning the US' actions can be achieved. The foolish strategy assumed by many here that one can speculate with any degree of certainty about what the Japanese WOULD have done based on nothing more than an overactive imagination is truly absurd.
    That's funny; many here that are arguing against my position basically admit that Japan would have surrendered, albeit not unconditionally, when they backtrack to the argument that the bombs were justified because they weren't willing to unconditionally surrender.

    We needed to totally destroy the enemies or risk WW3.
    Then just nuke the entire island. Or perhaps assimilate it into another country and beat the natives into submission. Who cares about means?

    Just as the Allies not fully defeating Germany in WW1 led to WW2.
    That's not wildly simplistic at all.
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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    That's the entire point; the US was more willing to kill 200,000 civilians than negotiate.
    Both Japan and the US were willing to lose FAR MORE than that with the expected assault on mainland Japan.
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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    That's the entire point; the US was more willing to kill 200,000 civilians than negotiate.
    The Allies has already killed far more civilians than that, and were willing to continue to do so until the end of the war.

    Dropping the bombs doesnt affect that will in any way - the only differece would have been the number of planes they used to do it.

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    That's the entire point; the US was more willing to kill 200,000 civilians than negotiate.
    No. The japs were more willing to get more of their people killed than to surrender.

    Put the blame where it belongs, with the people who started the war and the same people who refused to admit that they lost the war they started.

    You don't whack a mother bear with a small stick and then complain that the bear wouldn't stop when you rejected her demand for surrender.

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    Both Japan and the US were willing to lose FAR MORE than that with the expected assault on mainland Japan.
    Which also wouldn't have been necessary had negotiations been opened up.

    No. The japs were more willing to get more of their people killed than to surrender.
    So that's why they were willing to surrender?

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Then just nuke the entire island. Or perhaps assimilate it into another country and beat the natives into submission. Who cares about means?
    Indeed, Total victory was vital.

    That's not wildly simplistic at all.
    Well I was just making a point, if you like to go into detail we can create another thread about it.


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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Can we all just agree that war is sick, heinous, and cruel, and just move on already?

    I don't care if the bomb was "necessary" or not. It was horrendous.

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Which also wouldn't have been necessary had negotiations been opened up.
    The demand for unconditional surrender doesnt allow for negitiations.

    See, the allies had -always- extended terms to the Japanese, They were open to the idea of allowing Japan to surrender, from day one.

    The Japanese simply chose to not meet the terms -- and so, the Japanese brought everything down on themselves, inbcluding the 2 atom bombs.

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Can we all just agree that war is sick, heinous, and cruel, and just move on already?
    Not until you agree that it's also necessary.

    The American colonists didn't start a revolution because it was Tuesday, you know, the independence of the colonies from the tyrants in London became imperative.


    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I don't care if the bomb was "necessary" or not. It was horrendous.
    It was no big deal. Where's the crying over the 200,000 LeMay killed with incedaries in one night?

    Not to be heard.

    Dead is dead, how the body gets killed isn't important, so get over it already.

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