View Poll Results: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

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  • Hiroshima was worse

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  • Torture is worse

    4 14.29%
  • Hiroshima was neseccary

    22 78.57%
  • Torture was neseccary

    8 28.57%
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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Humans acting in their own best interest vs. using war to accomplish such an end are mutually exclusive values. Just because humans act selfishly does not mean they will always use the same means to achieve that end.
    As I aaid -- resolution of a conflit of interest thru the use of force. That's all war is. So long as their are colflicts of interest, there will be war. War and 'best interest' are mutually exclusive -- the former is a means to achieve the latter.

    And wars are on the decline, despite what popular media would have you believe. There is not nearly as much war in the world today as there was even 200 years ago.
    Hm. Show that to be true.
    There are wars everywhere in the world, at present. There has not been a major war since 1945 due to nuclear deterrence, but there have been innumerable minor ones.

    Well, the country you live in is a warring nation, so of course you have been brought up to believe this.
    On the contrary -- I believe tis beause it is true. Humans acting on their own best interest has not changed since there have been humans -- say nothing of the last 1000 years.

    This is an interesting idea, something I agree with.
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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    They were willing to surrender they were not willing to surrender on our terms. They wanted it their way. So the bombs were BS>
    I don't understand. We were winning and they would not surrender under our terms but only their own? They were not in a position to demand anything, they just didn't know it yet. I call that not surrendering, so would any general who is winning.


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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't understand. We were winning and they would not surrender under our terms but only their own? They were not in a position to demand anything, they just didn't know it yet. I call that not surrendering, so would any general who is winning.
    not to mention that we already knew they were planning to use chemical and biological weapons if we attacked the island of Japan, and we knew what they had done to our troops in their POW camps. The japanese got off lucky...
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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't understand. We were winning and they would not surrender under our terms but only their own? They were not in a position to demand anything, they just didn't know it yet. I call that not surrendering, so would any general who is winning.
    Well, apparently, the only legitimate way to win a war is if the enemy says it's OK.
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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    the fire bombings of tokyo were worse than the nuclear attacks

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I would say that Japanese proper (the Monarchy) was willing to surrender, but the Monarch was not the decision-maker at the time. The military Generals who told soldiers and soldiers family that their duty was to protect their island.
    Who was the great Japanese general or something another who said the famous "I fear we have awoken a great dragon" during Pearl Harbor?
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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Who was the great Japanese general or something another who said the famous "I fear we have awoken a great dragon" during Pearl Harbor?
    It was "A sleeping giant" and if I am correct it was Admiral Yamamoto.


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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    " and filled him with a terrible resolve".

    Don't forget that part.

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    I kinda think that what tipped Truman in favor of using the A-bomb was the battle for Okinawa. Capturing or defending Okinawa was critical for each side because the island is situated close enough to Japan to base attacking Allied bombers there. The Japanese recognized this vulnerability and defended the island fiercely. In the battle for this island, the US Navy alone lost over 12,000 sailors just to kamakaze attacks on her warships. Total Okinawa US casualties were horrendous. I think what occurred at Okinawa helped convince Truman that any invasion of Japan proper would result in catastrophic losses to Allied forces.

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    Re: Hiroshima Bombing vs. Torture

    A side question to those who believe bombing Hiroshima was unnecessary: How many American lives would you have been willing to sacrifice keeping the pressure on the Japanese government until they finally decided to surrender?
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