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  • Pearl Harbor changed America more

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Thread: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

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    Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    What too soon? meh

    A) Which has changed the U.S. more?

    B) Which reaction was more restrained?

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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    What too soon? meh

    A) Which has changed the U.S. more?

    B) Which reaction was more restrained?
    A) Pearl Harbor turned the isolationist USA into a world power, so it is quite a big change. 9/11 provoked tensions between the USA and its allies, but it's less important than the change that occured in 1941 IMO

    B) Pearl Harbor made the isolationist USA join a total war. I don't see how you can talk about "restrain" in their case

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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Pearl Harbor was huge, and totally changed the country and the world. 9/11 was not even close to having that kind of effect.

    Not sure on the restraint issue. We reacted fairly strongly to both.

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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    A) Pearl Harbor turned the isolationist USA into a world power, so it is quite a big change.
    The US was only "isolationist" for about 20 years. Also, the collapse of the European empires due to the war is pretty much what turned the US into a world power, and not the attack on Pearl Harbor.

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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    both caused America to join wars.We dont know if The west will win this one.
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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The US was only "isolationist" for about 20 years. Also, the collapse of the European empires due to the war is pretty much what turned the US into a world power, and not the attack on Pearl Harbor.
    There were no European Empires during WWII that I can tell of.
    Please explain.
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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    There were no European Empires during WWII that I can tell of.
    I was primarily referring to the British Empire, although the French Empire also collapsed during World War 2. There were other empires that were of less significance in terms of global politics, such as the Belgium Empire, but I was not referring to these.

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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I was primarily referring to the British Empire, although the French Empire also collapsed during World War 2. There were other empires that were of less significance in terms of global politics, such as the Belgium Empire, but I was not referring to these.
    Not every nation can just be declared as an empire like that.
    The British empire ceased to exist during the 19th century.
    It was just a colonial power during WWII.
    The Ottoman empire had collapsed after WWI, and the only thing that was close to an empire during WWII was the USSR, but it didn't collapse right after WWII.
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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Pearl Harbour was an attack by a openly Hostile nation state against a military target, while it was important and did force the US out of isolationism it didnt really change the situation in the Nation aside moving us out of the Economic uncertainy.

    9/11 was an attack by an elusive enemy, one that cannot be simply defeated in military battle alone. 9/11 targetted civilians, and there is really nothing the enemy demands to stop such attacks aside the US converting to Islam and setting up a world wide Islamic caliphate. So this is a fight for ideas not territory, victory will be elusive until we are confident in our ideals.


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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Without a doubt, Pearl Harbor had a bigger impact on our society. At least up until this point, since it remains to be seen, through the scope of history, what our total response to 9/11 will be.

    Our generation has shown greater restraint. No draft, no nukes dropped(as of this time). But I am not sure that showing restraint, is necessarily a good thing.
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