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  • Pearl Harbor changed America more

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  • 9-11 Changed America more

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  • This generation showed more restraint

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Thread: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Not every nation can just be declared as an empire like that.
    The British empire ceased to exist during the 19th century.
    It was just a colonial power during WWII.
    The Ottoman empire had collapsed after WWI, and the only thing that was close to an empire during WWII was the USSR, but it didn't collapse right after WWII.
    This is your opinion, and it is an unpopular one at that. The British Empire is a term widely used by historians to describe the colonial empire that existed formally up to the handing over of Hong Kong in 1997. The same is, of course, true with the French empire as well.

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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Without a doubt, Pearl Harbor had a bigger impact on our society. At least up until this point, since it remains to be seen, through the scope of history, what our total response to 9/11 will be.

    Our generation has shown greater restraint. No draft, no nukes dropped(as of this time). But I am not sure that showing restraint, is necessarily a good thing.
    Ummm who exactly would you like to Nuke? My vote is for Greenland, it obviously needs help living up to its name.


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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    I vote Pearl Harbor. I like this thread it gave me an idea.
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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Ummm who exactly would you like to Nuke? My vote is for Greenland, it obviously needs help living up to its name.
    Although I can see the value of a surgical strike against Greenland, I haven't suggested we nuke anybody(yet). I just don't think we are doing enough to win. When we fought the Japanese, we commited ourselves to victory. I don't feel like we have done that yet, which is why this war perpetuates. But I am willing to give it some time. This kind of war isn't an easy fix, and I recognize that.
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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    The US was a "world power" well before Pearl Harbor.

    The self-destruction of Europe in WWII opened the way to the US being the pre-eminent world power.
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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Pearl Harbor was huge, and totally changed the country and the world. 9/11 was not even close to having that kind of effect.
    Yes. And I cannot fathom why that is -- because, in any term you care to mention, the attack on 9/11 was far more egregious.

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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Although I can see the value of a surgical strike against Greenland, I haven't suggested we nuke anybody(yet). I just don't think we are doing enough to win. When we fought the Japanese, we commited ourselves to victory. I don't feel like we have done that yet, which is why this war perpetuates. But I am willing to give it some time. This kind of war isn't an easy fix, and I recognize that.
    Yes but we were fighting a nation state, we are not fighting an organized enemy, rather an idealogical movement. We still havent defeated Cosa Nostra and they are responsible for many more deaths of Americans then any terror cell.


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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There were no European Empires during WWII that I can tell of.
    Please explain.
    Soviet Union.

    Italy's imperialist moves on Abyssinia.

    British Empire.

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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes. And I cannot fathom why that is -- because, in any term you care to mention, the attack on 9/11 was far more egregious.
    Why did Pearl Harbor have a larger effect?

    1) The United States didn't have a metrosexual culture.

    2) The United States didn't have a dominant Democrat party that blamed everything bad on the United Sates.

    3) The American people recognized an act of war when they saw one.

    4) The American President didn't run around babbling that Shintoism was a religion of peace.

    5) American males grew up knowing that somethings require a fight.

    6) Nobody falsely believed that the attack on Pearl Harbor was a crime best suited for the courts.

    Basically, America had been infected by socialism/liberalism, but the disease at that time was not terminal.

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    Re: Pearl Harbor VS. 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Basically, America had been infected by socialism/liberalism, but the disease at that time was not terminal.
    Put more betterly:

    The American Peeople, at the beginnign of WW2, had just come thru a decade of significant hardship. These people were molded by this expereince in such a way that they did not have the time or the patirnce form the silliness we see today.

    Today, society has been infected by the attitudes of Boomer generation, whose collecitve experience is one of privilege and plenty that has created a pervasive (and yet so terribly unearned) attitude of entitlement and self-righterousness.

    As a member of the leading edge of Gen X, I am embarassed by the Boomer generation. If the generation of my Grandparents were in charge today, 9/11 would have brought forth the same reaction as PH -- if not one stronger.

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