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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Why the silence then? Why did the crowd only clap when Obama spoke in favor of Islam?
    You are surprised that a crowd would respond when some one says something positive about them? I am a fan of pro wrestling, and there is a term in wrestling called "cheap pop". That is getting applause by saying something good about the local city or sports team. People react to things like that, and there is nothing wrong with that,

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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Yes it is weaker.
    Terror is a stronger word than violence, and killing people just because they belong to a certain nation or culture(the west) is not simply violence.
    You're American. Was 9/11 simply violence for you?
    You are way to set in your own worldview. The statement I quoted was incredibly strong, and was so without the word "terror".

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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not know what you are saying, but the US can live long, fruitfully and happily without Israel. Israel needs us, we do not need them.
    If you really didn't need Israel you wouldn't be in an alliance with it.
    You're simply calling your leaders fools.
    What I've meant with that line was that the US may be able to live without Israel, but that doesn't mean they don't need Israel.
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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If you really didn't need Israel you wouldn't be in an alliance with it.
    You're simply calling your leaders fools.
    What I've meant with that line was that the US may be able to live without Israel, but that doesn't mean they don't need Israel.
    Wrong, we just have never pushed away, for political and other reasons.

    Yes, I am calling them fools.

    Wrong, we do not need Israel.

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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Way to have an optimistic outlook.

    Is it also not possible that his speech could have some positive effects or is Obama incapable of doing any good in your eyes?
    Obama is incapable, period.

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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If you really didn't need Israel you wouldn't be in an alliance with it.
    I wasn't aware we needed Luxembourg. But we are in an alliance with them. Does the US really need Romania? Hell no. But we're in an alliance with them. Estonia as well. The US is in a great many alliances with countries it does not need.

    You're simply calling your leaders fools.
    They are. What's your point?

    What I've meant with that line was that the US may be able to live without Israel, but that doesn't mean they don't need Israel.
    How do you define "need?"
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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are surprised that a crowd would respond when some one says something positive about them? I am a fan of pro wrestling, and there is a term in wrestling called "cheap pop". That is getting applause by saying something good about the local city or sports team. People react to things like that, and there is nothing wrong with that,
    I don't think you understand.
    Firstly, I'm not surprised at all.
    Secondly, I think that applauding only what you support makes the speech useless.
    For example, when the Israeli-Palestinian issue was brought up, the crowd was silent when Obama was in favor of Israel and cheered when he was in favor of the Palestinians.
    It was quite remarkable really, Obama says a pro-Israeli line, crowd silent, Obama continues to a pro-palestinian line, crowd cheers.
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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are right, it's not a one way street, but it is a seriously slanted street. We give much more than we get, and we can easily live without Israel.
    mmmm I'm not so sure. I don't think Obama could withdrawal support from Israel without causing major disorder among our citizens. Nor do I think Congress would allow him to threaten them in any genuine way. What he can do is talk in a way that aims to change or cause a shift in popular opinion of Israel but even that would be alarming.

    I don't foresee him doing anything. That's why his chosen language in Cairo was a tad disingenuous.

    Really he's saying, "Stop," but he means exactly what Bush meant. The settlements are an issue, one of many issues, and we don't support them. That said we're not going to do anything other than verbally disparage them. Overblown inflammatory speech is not the same as a policy shift or change.

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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I don't think you understand.
    Firstly, I'm not surprised at all.
    Secondly, I think that applauding only what you support makes the speech useless.
    For example, when the Israeli-Palestinian issue was brought up, the crowd was silent when Obama was in favor of Israel and cheered when he was in favor of the Palestinians.
    It was quite remarkable really, Obama says a pro-Israeli line, crowd silent, Obama continues to a pro-palestinian line, crowd cheers.
    So when a crowd acts like a crowd acts, it makes the speech given to the crowd worthless. That makes sense...

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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I wasn't aware we needed Luxembourg. But we are in an alliance with them. Does the US really need Romania? Hell no. But we're in an alliance with them. Estonia as well. The US is in a great many alliances with countries it does not need.
    Does any of the above states receive any aid from the US?
    They are. What's your point?
    My bad, forgot how hateful some Americans are about their own government.
    How do you define "need?"
    I do not define words thank you very much.
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