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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well it's interesting to me that we don't give some type of ultimatum. If Bush thought the settlements were wrong, Obama thinks they're wrong, most Jewish Americans don't support them, etc then tell them point blank to stop or else.

    But telling them point blank to stop while inserting the caveat that our support for Israel is unbreakable turns it all instantly to empty rhetoric.
    You cannot tell Israel about how they should accept Hamas, a terrorist organization, as a player in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process and justify it by saying that it was democratically elected, and then on the same time counter the decisions of the democratically elected government in Israel (Which happens not to be a terrorist group). That's just hypocrisy.
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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You cannot tell Israel about how they should accept Hamas, a terrorist organization, as a player in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process and justify it by saying that it was democratically elected, and then on the same time counter the decisions of the democratically elected government in Israel (Which happens not to be a terrorist group). That's just hypocrisy.
    No but you can tell them the settlements are almost unanimously understood to be illegal by the UN, international laws, and most global groups. We could demand that they stop, but only if we're willing to have some consequence happen upon receiving their "no." Which we're not.

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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Damn ...
    So no chance of a cheque coming to us then?

    I always just figured it was because US had power over ME through Israel but that makes sense too
    In large part sharing a similar culture is no small thing.

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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    No but you can tell them the settlements are almost unanimously understood to be illegal by the UN, international laws, and most global groups. We could demand that they stop, but only if we're willing to have some consequence happen upon receiving their "no." Which we're not.
    Well then that makes US pretty much worthless in being a honest broker doesn't it?

    If they say one thing then do not enforce it, why bother to begin with? Seems stupid imo.
    The settlements will come down one day. A Palestinian state will be formed some time in the future, better sooner than later.


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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Well then that makes US pretty much worthless in being a honest broker doesn't it?

    If they say one thing then do not enforce it, why bother to begin with? Seems stupid imo.
    That is her point, and on this rare occasion, I think she is 100 % right.

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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    In large part sharing a similar culture is no small thing.
    US shares culture with alot of countries, it hardly influence them to the extent of Israel does it?
    Maybe it's just some love affair we outsider will never understand
    Last edited by Laila; 06-04-09 at 02:58 PM.


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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is her point, and on this rare occasion, I think she is 100 % right.
    Indeed.
    Well, it seems hypocritical on Israel's part.
    The right wing Government and others bitch that Muslims do not recognise Jewish Israel but it seems they want their pie and eat it too. Land or peace, you cannot have both simultaneously.


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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Indeed.
    Well, it seems hypocritical on Israel's part.
    The right wing Government and others bitch that Muslims do not recognise Jewish Israel but it seems they want their pie and eat it too. Land or peace, you cannot have both simultaneously.
    The current Israeli government mainly doesn't want to end those issues as unconditional compromises before a peace agreement is signed, which is what the US asks for.
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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The current Israeli government mainly doesn't want to end those issues as unconditional compromises before a peace agreement is signed, which is what the US asks for.
    A peace agreement will never happen or be agreed to without Israel taking down it's illegal settlements.
    As i said, Israel wants both without making any sacrifices. They say they want peace and then go and build posts for what i can only describe as crazy settlers.


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    Re: Will Obama's Cairo speech motivate a new set of terror attacks in the ME?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    US shares culture with alot of countries, it hardly influence them to the extent of Israel does it?
    Maybe it's just some love affair we outsider will never understand
    Israel is a country that has a shared similar culture surrounded by hostility.

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