View Poll Results: Do you favore the Employee Free Choice Act

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    Re: Employee Free Choice Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Well then, I thought unions were supposed to negotiate fair pays and safe working conditions, why in the HELL would they claim they are going to do away with drug testing when it can create an unsafe working environment (ie. high auto manufacturing workers).
    The problem is, by and large every employee already has a guarantee of a safe work environment under existing labor laws, the unions don't have to do it. There was a time when it was necessary, it simply isn't anymore. Unions push for higher wages but only so people don't complain too much when their paychecks are raped for union dues. In the end, the union workers are no better off than the non-union workers, the unions just end up driving companies into bankruptcy because of the higher rates that must be paid for the same amount of work and a ton more headaches.

    Ask GM how happy they are with their union contracts. Oh wait, they declared bankruptcy, didn't they?
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    Re: Employee Free Choice Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Ask GM how happy they are with their union contracts. Oh wait, they declared bankruptcy, didn't they?
    In fact, many talk radio folks (and I know we don't all like talk radio) have been stating for months (or years) that bankruptcy would be the best way to get the monkeys off of the companys' backs.

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    Re: Employee Free Choice Act

    Additional question:

    If 50%+1 "workers" in a shop vote to goonionize, does that mean the 50%-1 workers who declined will be forced to goonionize too?

    If they are, does this not violate the freedom of association guarantee of the First Amendment?

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    Re: Employee Free Choice Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Additional question:

    If 50%+1 "workers" in a shop vote to goonionize, does that mean the 50%-1 workers who declined will be forced to goonionize too?

    If they are, does this not violate the freedom of association guarantee of the First Amendment?
    Indeed....for ought not the freedom to associate include the freedom to dissociate?

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    Re: Employee Free Choice Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Additional question:

    If 50%+1 "workers" in a shop vote to goonionize, does that mean the 50%-1 workers who declined will be forced to goonionize too?

    If they are, does this not violate the freedom of association guarantee of the First Amendment?
    some states do authorize an automatic check off. that requires the employees represented by the union to now be required to pay dues whether they agree to join the union or not
    other states do not compel union dues to be paid by anyone other than union members. that allows "free riders" to be represented by the union - as the federal law requires the union represent all bargaining unit members. those employees realize the rewards of union representation without having to incur the cost. only dues paying union members are able to vote in the union elections, however

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    Re: Employee Free Choice Act

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    some states do authorize an automatic check off. that requires the employees represented by the union to now be required to pay dues whether they agree to join the union or not
    other states do not compel union dues to be paid by anyone other than union members. that allows "free riders" to be represented by the union - as the federal law requires the union represent all bargaining unit members. those employees realize the rewards of union representation without having to incur the cost. only dues paying union members are able to vote in the union elections, however
    What I have found with Unions is that the wage scales are not based on achievement and productivity but instead are based on seniority in a company.

    I was looking at working for one of the railroad operators and with both in my local area, it was required that you join the union and pay dues.

    The advancement in pay was based solely on how long you had been employed with them. If that were the case with my current employer I wouldn't be making more than people who have been here longer than I have.

    It makes no sense to have a long time union.
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    Re: Employee Free Choice Act

    Horrible bill. It's just a mass stealth unionization effort with the backing and support of the federal government.
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    Re: Employee Free Choice Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    What I have found with Unions is that the wage scales are not based on achievement and productivity but instead are based on seniority in a company.

    I was looking at working for one of the railroad operators and with both in my local area, it was required that you join the union and pay dues.

    The advancement in pay was based solely on how long you had been employed with them. If that were the case with my current employer I wouldn't be making more than people who have been here longer than I have.

    It makes no sense to have a long time union.
    This is typical of factory work in general, not unions. I have not been in a union, but my pay is based on seniority. Within 2 years at my current job I was making the same pay as everyone with at least 2 years.

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    Re: Employee Free Choice Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The problem is, by and large every employee already has a guarantee of a safe work environment under existing labor laws, the unions don't have to do it. There was a time when it was necessary, it simply isn't anymore. Unions push for higher wages but only so people don't complain too much when their paychecks are raped for union dues. In the end, the union workers are no better off than the non-union workers, the unions just end up driving companies into bankruptcy because of the higher rates that must be paid for the same amount of work and a ton more headaches.

    Ask GM how happy they are with their union contracts. Oh wait, they declared bankruptcy, didn't they?
    The problem with this logic is that the reason unions cost the companies more is that they are in fact getting more for their members. That is where the extra costs come from. The problem arises when the union demands, and the company gives them too much, and this is usually not seen until it's too late.

    I don't like unions as a general rule, and have voted against being unionized. However, I suspect that without the threat of unions and the fear of possible unionization, that things would get worse for workers in this country.

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    Re: Employee Free Choice Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is typical of factory work in general, not unions. I have not been in a union, but my pay is based on seniority. Within 2 years at my current job I was making the same pay as everyone with at least 2 years.
    I work in a factory and while we have a base starting pay, all our raises are based on performance.

    I make about the same as some who have been there 7 years or so because of my initial performance raise.
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