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Thread: Will the SCotUS incorporate the 2nd amendement against the states?

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    Will the SCotUS incorporate the 2nd amendement against the states?

    Pursuant to this thread:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...eld-court.html

    And this story:
    Chicago Law Banning Handguns in City Upheld by Court (Update3) - Bloomberg.com

    Do you think the SCotUS will take this case?
    Do you think the SCoTUS wil incorporate the 2nd amendement against the states?

    Please be sure to explain why you answered as you did...
    Last edited by Goobieman; 06-03-09 at 01:51 PM.

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    Re: Will the SCoTUS incorporate the 2nd amendement against the states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Do you think the SCotUS will take this case?
    Yes I do and I think they will rule that owning firearms is a right. Just like free speech is.
    Last edited by winston53660; 06-03-09 at 01:54 PM.

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    Re: Will the SCotUS incorporate the 2nd amendement against the states?

    I think they have to hear the case(or one like it). I think its imperative that an absolute clear line be drawn in the sand.
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    Re: Will the SCoTUS incorporate the 2nd amendement against the states?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yes I do and I think they rule that owning firearms is a right. Just like free speech is.
    The court has already ruled that gun ownership is an unqailified individual right and that handguns cannot be banned -- the question here is if that ruling (which was against the Dicstrict of Columbia, a federal enclave) is also applicable against the states.

    Given the incorporation of other parts of the bill of rights agianst action from the states, I cannot see how the court would NOT do so.

    There is conflict among the circuit courts, making it more likely that the SCotUS will hear it.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 06-03-09 at 01:57 PM.

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    Re: Will the SCotUS incorporate the 2nd amendement against the states?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I think they have to hear the case(or one like it). I think its imperative that an absolute clear line be drawn in the sand.
    I'm not sure about a clear line. One can not scream fire in a theatre any more than one can expect to buy a car with out a VIN number nor buy a gun in a 7-11.

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    Re: Will the SCoTUS incorporate the 2nd amendement against the states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The court has already ruled that gun ownership is an unqailified individual right and that handguns cannot be banned -- the question here is if that ruling (which was against the Dicstrict of Columbia, a federal enclave) is also applicable against the states.

    Given the incorporation of other parts of the bill of rights agianst action from the states, I cannot see how the court would NOT do so.
    Neither can I.

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    Re: Will the SCotUS incorporate the 2nd amendement against the states?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm not sure about a clear line. One can not scream fire in a theatre any more than one can expect to buy a car with out a VIN number nor buy a gun in a 7-11.
    These are unrelated concepts.
    The 2nd amendment equivelant to yelling fire in a theater would be firing a gun straight up into the air within the limits of a municipality.

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    Re: Will the SCotUS incorporate the 2nd amendement against the states?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm not sure about a clear line. One can not scream fire in a theatre any more than one can expect to buy a car with out a VIN number nor buy a gun in a 7-11.
    I'm talking more along the lines of the right to private firearm ownership. States and municipalities either can or cannot infringe upon your right to bear arms.

    Once you get into regulations, I can agree, defining "the line" there can get murky. I can support background checks, but I can't support you having to have the ammunition stored 100 ft away, with a trigger lock and the bolt assembly removed.
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    Re: Will the SCotUS incorporate the 2nd amendement against the states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    These are unrelated concepts.
    The 2nd amendment equivelant to yelling fire in a theater would be firing a gun straight up into the air within the limits of a municipality.
    Rights are limited be it free speech that harms others or vehicles that can harm others and these rights also includes the right to bear arms. And you have to agree the purpose of firearms is to cause damage to others unlike a steak knife.

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    Re: Will the SCotUS incorporate the 2nd amendement against the states?

    I would think that the SCotUS would have to take up this case. You can't allow States or cities to so blatantly destroy through force the ability of people to exercise their innate and inalienable rights. And I can't see them being able to uphold this crap that Chicago did. If they would somehow uphold it, they'd only be proving why it's a guaranteed right in the first place.
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