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    Re: Will people ever truly unite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I guess I am somewhere in the middle. I have often thought about a self sufficient community where everyone works for the betterment of the comminity. I would not mind being a part of such a community but I would also like to have ownership of my own property and be the ultimate authority over said property.
    I live as part of a commune. It is limited and it functions very well. I have no idea how much larger it can become. We will try and expand it. It would take forever to do it this way but uit does work.
    The only requirement that we have is that there is no religion. It is the one area where we have made a rule. The people that join know this up front. It is not hidden.

    I say it is limited as now it has 500 adults and has just expanded to a second community and with have a farm and a local school. That will be offered to the towns people free of charge.
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    Re: Will people ever truly unite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    It's a lovely dream but it just will not happen. Humans are naturally capable of great evils and are inherently selfish. Nothing will change.
    Perhaps we have stopped evolving :P
    I am willing to roll the dice and take the risks for the people that I care about. I just refuse to give up the dream.
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    Re: Will people ever truly unite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    And I believe this is what freedom is all about. We may have seemingly unachievable dreams but that will never stop us from trying. The only sure way at failure is to give up.
    I think to many people say this can't happen and throw their hands up and say we won't even try. The answer is openness an acceptance is the answer. The more we can accept the better we are.
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    Re: Will people ever truly unite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    You have zero idea what you are talking about when it comes to my vision. I could not even pretend to have an idea as to what you are thinking. Where did you get this gift of ESP?
    First of all, you said yourself that there would be "very little tolerance," and because you are advertising a Utopian ideal, that tips me off, along with my own thought processes, that there will be no tolerance. Second of all, there will be no freedom due to a combination of the fact that freedom cannot exist without tolerance, unitizing ideals imply no freedom, and creating a commune situation through involuntary methods starts without freedom by definition and allows further demonstrations of freedom to be destroyed.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Will people ever truly unite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    Let's look at WWII. When did Jewish become anything other than a religion?
    Yes, a religious group was the OBJECT of aggression, not the PERPETRATORS of aggression. 6 million Jews died, and 5 million others died.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Will people ever truly unite?

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    First of all, you said yourself that there would be "very little tolerance," and because you are advertising a Utopian ideal, that tips me off, along with my own thought processes, that there will be no tolerance. Second of all, there will be no freedom due to a combination of the fact that freedom cannot exist without tolerance, unitizing ideals imply no freedom, and creating a commune situation through involuntary methods starts without freedom by definition and allows further demonstrations of freedom to be destroyed.
    There is very little tolerance in this society Flappy that is what I said. Not in the society that I am talking about. The only thing that we do not allow for, is religious freedom in our commune. That is a n=known quantity going in. If someone does not like that they are free to wait at the door. So you misunderstand what I stated.
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    Re: Will people ever truly unite?

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    Yes, a religious group was the OBJECT of aggression, not the PERPETRATORS of aggression. 6 million Jews died, and 5 million others died.
    The Nazi's did consider themselves followers of the Christ. Those comments were made even during the meeting in Wannsee it was said that the Jews rejected the Christ.
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    Re: Will people ever truly unite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I can see getting clubed like a harp seal for this response.

    We can unite but some ideas need to be discarded with first.

    1. Religion needs to go.
    2. Private property needs to go.
    3. Nations and references to national pride need to go.
    4. Borders need to fade.
    5. Universal money........if any
    6. universal language would have to be in the works.
    7. The UN or a group like that would have to take change.

    Individual nation states could no longer exist.

    IMO religion is the biggest barrier to unity.
    Good, no a great post; but I disagree that religion must go...
    Perhaps in another 1,000 years, man will properly discover God, and a one true religion....even if I hold that religion is not necessary.

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    Re: Will people ever truly unite?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Good, no a great post; but I disagree that religion must go...
    Perhaps in another 1,000 years, man will properly discover God, and a one true religion....even if I hold that religion is not necessary.
    Thank you for your positive look at this post.

    A universal religion is a perhaps. The divisions from this faith to that faith are the dividers. It separates people more than anything I can think of. Even within a faith there is decent.
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    Re: Will people ever truly unite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I can see getting clubed like a harp seal for this response.

    We can unite but some ideas need to be discarded with first.

    1. Religion needs to go.
    2. Private propertty needs to go.
    3. Nations and references to national pride need to go.
    4. Borders need to fade.
    5. Universal money.
    6. universal language would have to be in the works.
    7. The UN or a group like that would have to take change.

    Individual nation states could no longer exist.

    IMO religion is the biggest barrier to unity.
    I'll be nice.

    You do realize that most of this list is highly improbable? That realistically, the only way you'd get 90% of humanity to accept these terms would be to kill half of them and threaten the other half with like treatment? Because many of us would consider this tyranny of the worst sort.

    Now, I'm beginning to know you a little bit, so I figure your hope is that the world would accept these principles voluntarily, to be "enlightened" as it were.

    IMO, that just isn't ever going to happen.

    Addressing the religion issue specifically:

    Here in the USA, while Christianity may be the majority, there are a VAST number of religions. My Quicky-mart guy is a Pakistani Muslim; my best buddy is an Agnostic; some of my friends are Pagans, another is Jewish. We even discuss religion fairly often; yet no one has killed anyone, or even punched anyone.
    This is a microcosm of the USA. Here in the US it is very rare that anyone kills over religion, yet we debate it vociferously.

    I submit that it is not religion, itself, that needs to go, but the willingness to kill over religion. (Which willingness, just to note, seems to be most common in the Mideast these days.)

    I think it's obvious by now that I take my beliefs very seriously, yet I have no desire to force my agnostic friend to become Christian through legislation or force. My beliefs do not permit "forced conversions" because my beliefs require conversion to be a choice. Force negates choice.

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