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Will people ever truly unite?

Kali said:
FlappyTheKinkajou, I really long for the Utopia that Inferno speaks of but do not think it is realistic on a Universal level.
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I don't necessarily long for the Utopia that Inferno speaks of because it means that freedom is necessarily irrelevant or not present. And there is no tolerance.
 
FlappyTheKinkajou said:
How do you politely explain that someone is off their rocker thoroughly enough that they get back on it?
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FlappyTheKinkajou said:
I was indeed implying that Inferno is severely misguided.
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Flappy my dear one.

I am a Utopian Socialist. I live in a Commune that works. I am not saying it can work for everyone that has been raised in a certain set of beliefs. I don't say that you are off your rocker. I do say that you have not lived this ideology. You have lived according to the American standards. It is looking at the differences in each of us. Maybe it is time to read up on Socialism. Hugs
 
Inferno said:
Flappy my dear one.

I am a Utopian Socialist. I live in a Commune that works. I am not saying it can work for everyone that has been raised in a certain set of beliefs. I don't say that you are off your rocker. I do say that you have not lived this ideology. You have lived according to the American standards. It is looking at the differences in each of us. Maybe it is time to read up on Socialism. Hugs
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This thread discusses world unity, not communal success.
 
FlappyTheKinkajou said:
I don't necessarily long for the Utopia that Inferno speaks of because it means that freedom is necessarily irrelevant or not present. And there is no tolerance.
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There is very little tolerance Flappy. Freedom is perfectly relevant and there is a way to get there. It is just not this way. As long as we are bound and unequally yoked we will never see true freedom nor true peace.
 
Inferno said:
There is very little tolerance Flappy. Freedom is perfectly relevant and there is a way to get there. It is just not this way. As long as we are bound and unequally yoked we will never see true freedom nor true peace.
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Freedom has no chance in hell without tolerance. "Freedom" does not mean "good and happy feeling after a goal is achieved." "Freedom" means "freedom."
 
FlappyTheKinkajou said:
This thread discusses world unity, not communal success.
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Yes and it if tried by open people can work on a world scale. That is what I posted. Did you read the first post? I do say that it may not work as a whole. As long as people have a mindset like you it is an impossible dream to have anything close to a Utopia.
 
FlappyTheKinkajou said:
Freedom has no chance in hell without tolerance. "Freedom" does not mean "good and happy feeling after a goal is achieved." "Freedom" means "freedom."
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That is true there is very little tolerance in this society so you said that there is no way in the world that we can be free and unified in the style of government you seem to espouse.
 
Inferno said:
Yes and it if tried by open people can work on a world scale. That is what I posted. Did you read the first post? I do say that it may not work as a whole. As long as people have a mindset like you it is an impossible dream to have anything close to a Utopia.
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Let's see if that could be done. How many people are in your commune?
 
Goshin said:
I suppose someone had to say it.

Nevermind the fact that political ideology, nationalism, economic self-intrest and so on has undoubtably started more wars and killed more people than religion, though many ambitious conquerors have abused religion as an excuse to invade their neighbor because the conqueror wanted the neighbor's land/resources/wealth/serfs.
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Religion has caused the death of more people in Earth's history than all of those things you listed every will.
 
Caine said:
Religion has caused the death of more people in Earth's history than all of those things you listed every will.
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That tired, thought-barren cliche, eh?
 
Caine said:
Religion has caused the death of more people in Earth's history than all of those things you listed every will.
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This is why i say that the first thing that needs to go to bring about unity is religion.
 
Caine said:
Cliche?

Its the truth.
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In one century of nontheist or atheist potential, they have murdered upwards of 70 million people, and have instilled a culture in the people it occupies that disallows that culture from lasting more than a few more generations of smaller and smaller population sizes.
 
FlappyTheKinkajou said:
I don't necessarily long for the Utopia that Inferno speaks of because it means that freedom is necessarily irrelevant or not present. And there is no tolerance.
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What? I am not understanding this. What do you mean that with Utopia there would be no freedoms? And no tolerance? I am confused because in my mind Utopia is all about freedom, love, peace and folks accepting each other. :shock:
 
Kali said:
What? I am not understanding this. What do you mean that with Utopia there would be no freedoms? And no tolerance? I am confused because in my mind Utopia is all about freedom, love, peace and folks accepting each other. :shock:
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With Inferno's version of Utopia, there would be no freedom and no tolerance.
 
My answer would be possibly, but not in the foreseeable future!! Circumstances may change beyond recognition another thousand year from now, you never know. But on current evidence my answer would be a resounding NO.
 
Caine said:
Religion has caused the death of more people in Earth's history than all of those things you listed every will.
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That is wrong!! As a virulent anto-theist myself, I have to disagree with you. Almost every war in the history of mankind has been about self-interest(very often economic). It is just cloaked in the fervor of nationalist sentiment or religion!! The 2 play the same purpose. They give ambitious countries and leaders the justification to invade peoples, who they want to use for economic, strategic, or some other gains. Religion is right up there with nationalism as being the most used justification of Murder and death in human history, but usually it is just a cloak to hide more base goals!!
 
Cilogy said:
We will never unite because there are too many racist asshats and too many extremely conservative people in this world.

The idea is good one but all we can do is wave as it passes by.
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No.
Love Letter to America
For you Mr. Tolerance.
You can learn how you got the way you are.

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Caine said:
Religion has caused the death of more people in Earth's history than all of those things you listed every will.
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Not quite.
Ask how many tens of million Stalin killed.
How many Chairman Mao killed with his Great Leap Forward.

That's between 40 to 60 million for The Godless Ones.
Call it Mechanized Death.

It's not even close.


Inferno said:
I can see getting clubed like a harp seal for this response.

We can unite but some ideas need to be discarded with first.

1. Religion needs to go.
2. Private propertty needs to go.
3. Nations and references to national pride need to go.
4. Borders need to fade.
5. Universal money.
6. universal language would have to be in the works.
7. The UN or a group like that would have to take change.

Individual nation states could no longer exist.

IMO religion is the biggest barrier to unity.
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ROTFLMAO.
We have Marx in our midst.

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Nah, unless Aliens comes and attacks us. We have nothing to bring together the human race.
We tend to overlook our differences if there is a common enemy.
And besides, the closest we will get is acceptance of others differences and utopia will never occur on this earth whilst humans are still around.
 
Caine said:
Religion has caused the death of more people in Earth's history than all of those things you listed every will.
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Thats a pretty uninformed comment. Got any proof to back that up?

Let's use just WWI and WWII as an example. The 2 largest wars in the history of man kind, and had nothing to do with religion.

So getting rid of religion would not change things much. We as people would just replace it with something else.
 
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