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Neutron Bomb Question

Should the US Resume Neutron Bomb Research?

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Seems pretty inefficient. There are much better ways to achieve any of the same objectives.

Redress said:
So you support the government doing whatever it wants, and just not telling the people? Interesting idea....
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Not anything it wants, but for the most part - of course. You don't actually think that the government should tell the public everything it does, do you?
 
rathi said:
China and the U.S. are unlikely to ever be able to invade each other. The logistics involved supported an army thousands of miles from home is incredible. I doubt either country could gain such a vast advantage over the other to make some sort of an Invasion possible.
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The Great Swim Forward?

The notion that China can actually pull off an invasion of the US is pretty insane as you pointed out. Especially since they'd have no friendly support bases like we do in the Middle East and Europe.

Plus, what's scarecrow's fascination with numbers?

Numbers alone, as Sun Tzu teaches, confer no advantage.
 
RightinNYC said:
Seems pretty inefficient. There are much better ways to achieve any of the same objectives.



Not anything it wants, but for the most part - of course. You don't actually think that the government should tell the public everything it does, do you?
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The vast majority, yes.
 
Redress said:
The vast majority, yes.
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As long as you believe you're being told "the vast majority" of what's going on, it doesn't matter if you actually are being told.

Now be a good little citizen and go back to work.
 
Jerry said:
As long as you believe you're being told "the vast majority" of what's going on, it doesn't matter if you actually are being told.

Now be a good little citizen and go back to work.
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I don't believe we are told the vast majority though~

And I am laid off work currently. Damn auto industry....
 
Redress said:
The vast majority, yes.
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Redress said:
I don't believe we are told the vast majority though~

And I am laid off work currently. Damn auto industry....
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Considering that it's not possible to determine whether we're being told about the "vast majority," this is a pretty impossible standard.
 
Redress said:
I don't believe we are told the vast majority though~

And I am laid off work currently. Damn auto industry....
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My mother works for NUMMI and they got all the GM cars other plants were going to build before they got shut down.

Did you notice that Obama is targeting US plants? I suppose that' for another thread, though :2wave:
 
RightinNYC said:
Considering that it's not possible to determine whether we're being told about the "vast majority," this is a pretty impossible standard.
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You are assuming I have to be rational about it.
 
The majority of the population exists to furnish authority with the means to accomplish whatever they want. This is true regardless of the type of government. Democracies just make us feel better about it because we are given token info. sessions so we feel "informed". Really, it makes no difference.

As for the neurtron bomb question, it's a silly idea. First of all, it would indiscriminately kill everyone, which has never been the stated intention of U.S. lead invasions. We have to at least TRY to project the image that we are not blood thirsty monsters killing everyone in sight.

Secondary to that, China's full military power is not currently known. There are some ideas in terms of manpower, based on the sheer numbers of their people, but in terms of armaments, we simply don't know within accurate reason.

In any case, a war with China would be mutually assured destruction on an economic level. The U.S. would become a second class power overnight, and China would lose all of the developments it has from the past 20-30 years.

No... China is not interested in conventional war. Its war is economic in nature, and it's winning on a global scale. This fantasy about a Chinese invasion is just non-sense. China has no desire to expand in that manner.
 
Orius said:
As for the neurtron bomb question, it's a silly idea. First of all, it would indiscriminately kill everyone, which has never been the stated intention of U.S. lead invasions.
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What weapon do you suggest we use instead?

Orius said:
We have to at least TRY to project the image that we are not blood thirsty monsters killing everyone in sight.
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Since China has 1,300 million people and the United States has less than a quarter of that, should the United States resume intensive studies of enhanced radiation weapons to prepare for possible future armed conflict with an enemy that could field an army four times the size of ours?

I argue that it may become necessary for the US to employ nuclear weapons on US soil, and in that event, it would be ideal to minimize the damage from blast and fallout and concentrate the weapon's effects on the enemy invaders.
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I was under the impression that we already had developed the Neutron bomb.
 
We should indeed pursue the neutron bomb. It will however, only be good for a Chinese invasion of the U.S. or all out war between the two. This is due to our dependence on the Chinese economically, which is a sad development as we have given China the means to surpass our economy and subject us to their demands and wants.
 
Redress said:
Why do you think killing millions of innocent Chinease will make us safer. Destroy their military, which should be doable, and they are no threat.

Besides, we have more than enough nukes now to destroy any country in it's totality without making new weapons.
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Why do you people think a military weapon should be used to kill civillians.

I have no idea why so many people so ignorantly use the word "innocent" before the word "civillians", perhaps they're just eager to demonstrate their ignorance of war?
 
rathi said:
China and the U.S. are unlikely to ever be able to invade each other. The logistics involved supported an army thousands of miles from home is incredible. I doubt either country could gain such a vast advantage over the other to make some sort of an Invasion possible.
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Here's the deal:

Let's make it more expensive for them to consider the option.

rathi said:
The U.S. is the by far the hardest country to invade on the planet. We have a large population, a huge industrial base, and no powerful (or hostile) land connected neighbors.
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And he doesn't even mention the real reason.

A hundred million firearms in the hands of just about everyone that wants one.
 
obvious Child said:
Uh, to produce sufficent quantities of neutrons to have the desired effect as a viable weapon, you need to produce a fission reaction of such size that everyone you're trying to kill with neutron radiation is already vaporized.

Thus, your weapon idea is self defeating. Also, that's one of the (many) reasons why neutron bombs never were feasibly built.
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Uh...you are aware that the function of enhanced radiation weapons is to enhance the radiation output and minimize the blast, right?

I mean, what do you think the term "enhanced radiation weapon" means? You could try learning something about the topic, and nuclear weapons in general, since you're clearly extremely ignorant and are posting from emotional responses to cartoon images you've seen.
 
obvious Child said:
The Great Swim Forward?

The notion that China can actually pull off an invasion of the US is pretty insane as you pointed out. Especially since they'd have no friendly support bases like we do in the Middle East and Europe.

Plus, what's scarecrow's fascination with numbers?

Numbers alone, as Sun Tzu teaches, confer no advantage.
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Pretending the Chinese will continue to remain technological inferiors is pretty ignorant.

Especially considering their continued massive efforts at industrial espionage at all levels.
 
Orius said:
As for the neurtron bomb question, it's a silly idea. First of all, it would indiscriminately kill everyone,
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Right.

The US military high command would never think of air bursting neutron weapons over the heads of the enemy army or naval forces, oh no. The only possible place neutron weapons could ever possibly be used is over densely populated civillian population centers of limited military value.

/sarcasm off.

Where the hell do all you people that are so ignorant of military strategy come from, anyways, public schools?


Orius said:
Secondary to that, China's full military power is not currently known. There are some ideas in terms of manpower, based on the sheer numbers of their people, but in terms of armaments, we simply don't know within accurate reason.
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So you're arguing that we should assume the smallest estimates are correct and base our military assessments and planning on that?

Orius said:
In any case, a war with China would be mutually assured destruction on an economic level. The U.S. would become a second class power overnight, and China would lose all of the developments it has from the past 20-30 years.
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Then again, in the real world, what the hell is China going to do when The Messiah totally devalues the US currency and wrecks the Chinese investment in the US?

Study any history, boy? War is an expression of economic conflict.

Orius said:
No... China is not interested in conventional war.
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That's why they've built a supersonic ballistic missile against which our carrier fleets currently have no defense against, because the Chinese love peace so much.

Orius said:
Its war is economic in nature, and it's winning on a global scale. This fantasy about a Chinese invasion is just non-sense. China has no desire to expand in that manner.
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So you do not understand the concept of threat assessment, nor do you understand what really happens outside you house.

Nor did you ever see me say that it's extremely likely the US would be invaded. I said it's wise to be prepared.
 
Ikari said:
I was under the impression that we already had developed the Neutron bomb.
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I was under the impression that after we destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki we continued research and development on nuclear weapons.

We stopped neutron bomb research a while ago, merely because nations who could not keep up with us whined about it.
 
Orius said:
No... China is not interested in conventional war. Its war is economic in nature, and it's winning on a global scale. This fantasy about a Chinese invasion is just non-sense. China has no desire to expand in that manner.
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Since Korea and Tibet...China has shown no imperialistic intentions. I lived in China during 1986 and many of the people I talked to pointed to a long history where China has never mounted a global conquest like The British Empire, Germany, Japan, or the Ottomans have.

Why is it Americans think that anyone who CAN conquer someone else...will.

China could have completely absoarbed Vietnam after we left, and Cambodia, Thailand, and Burma. But they didn't. Right now China could take over Korea, Taiwan, or Japan and we couldn't stop them, are they doing it?

The right in this country is getting so paranoid. They need to stop believing the Conservative media scaremongering
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Why is it that people think that just because someone hasn't committed murder can't?
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Here...this would be analogous to my original analogy: Why is it that people think that just because someone hasn't committed murder they wont"

Nobody thinks China is an incapable military power. Not even the most leftist liberal out there.

At any rate...if history is a yardstick...The US is far more likely to invade independant nations than China. Maybe they should worry about a bunch of righties pulling a Dr Strangelove here in the US.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Since China has 1,300 million people and the United States has less than a quarter of that, should the United States resume intensive studies of enhanced radiation weapons to prepare for possible future armed conflict with an enemy that could field an army four times the size of ours?

I argue that it may become necessary for the US to employ nuclear weapons on US soil, and in that event, it would be ideal to minimize the damage from blast and fallout and concentrate the weapon's effects on the enemy invaders.
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China does not and will not have any capacity to invade the US.
 
Goldwaters said:
Here...this would be analogous to my original analogy: Why is it that people think that just because someone hasn't committed murder they wont"

Nobody thinks China is an incapable military power. Not even the most leftist liberal out there.

At any rate...if history is a yardstick...The US is far more likely to invade independant nations than China. Maybe they should worry about a bunch of righties pulling a Dr Strangelove here in the US.
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I don't fear China invading the United States - at least not anytime in the forseeable future.

My concern is that mainland China (the PRC) decides to retake Taiwan (the ROC), which they've always regarded as a renegade province ever since Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang fled there in 1949 during the Chinese civil war.

Then what does the United States do? Does the U.S. honor it's defense commitments to Taiwan? Or, does the U.S. learn the lesson of Vietnam, and stay out of what is essentially a Chinese civil war?
 
China will never militarily invade the United States, nor do they wish to police the world as the U.S. tends to like to do. But what China will do is eclipse the U.S. in economic power, and I think they will definitely use this power to sway many things including Taiwan relations.
 
Altho the chinese have enough troops to occupy the USA, getting them here in secret will be hard to do.
The only place I can see us using neutron bombs is directly over North Korean troops if they should attack South Korea. All those troops massed in a relatively small area, perfect use for it....
 
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