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    Re: Neutron Bomb Question

    Quote Originally Posted by SpotsCat View Post
    Then what does the United States do? Does the U.S. honor it's defense commitments to Taiwan? Or, does the U.S. learn the lesson of Vietnam, and stay out of what is essentially a Chinese civil war?
    Taiwan is still run by the descendants of Chank Ki Chek and they will not be ruled by a Chinese occupation. China knows that. Taking a hard line towards Taipei is standard procedure for Chinese because of what a ganster Chang was. I think as long as the Mainland talks tough and makes provocative jestures in the straights periodically that's enough.

    So IMO we'll never find out. If war did break out, I think we'd do the same thing the Brits and French did to Poland and Czechoslovakia in WWII and just let it happen.
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    Re: Neutron Bomb Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Uh...you are aware that the function of enhanced radiation weapons is to enhance the radiation output and minimize the blast, right?
    But to produce the necessarily and sufficent level of radiation, one requires a significently large nuclear reaction, which comes with the downsize of massive damage. You are under the false impression that a neutron bomb leaves structures in tact.

    It's like a massive EMP. By the time you do it, there's nothing that uses electricity left intact. So why bother?

    I mean, what do you think the term "enhanced radiation weapon" means? You could try learning something about the topic, and nuclear weapons in general, since you're clearly extremely ignorant and are posting from emotional responses to cartoon images you've seen.
    lol. That's the best you got? (btw, you've been reported for that) Nothing you've said explains why a neutron bomb would work and I've stated one of the many reasons it never got off the ground. One of which is one of the required elements decays rather quickly, between 10~20 years.

    The best support you got in the thread was from Akyron who cited what appears to be a Kremlin scam to make money selling duds.

    To produce the required amount of neutrons, you need to produce a nuclear explosion that is so large that everything you're trying to irradiate with the neutrons is destroyed in the nuclear blast rendering the weapon pointless.

    Not to mention that such a weapon does not result in instant death. In fact we'd be facing legions of PRC troops who know exactly what is going to happen to them over the next week and will likely fight much harder.
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    Re: Neutron Bomb Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Pretending the Chinese will continue to remain technological inferiors is pretty ignorant.
    They will remain technological inferiors. Have you seen our defense budget? Not to mention the industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us against?

    And you have ignored both Rathi and my point about logistics. Technological superiority does not mean you have the logistics to support a large army thousands of miles away with no support and friendly bases.

    Especially considering their continued massive efforts at industrial espionage at all levels.
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    Re: Neutron Bomb Question

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    C'mon. If this was legit, why isn't there anything reputable on it?

    Furthermore, do you have anything by Dr. Frank Barnaby himself rather than someone else saying he did it?

    Not to mention trusting the Russians during the 1990s was generally a bad idea.
    And your own article shows that the substance was a fraud which appeared to be nothing more than a get rich quick Kremlin scheme.

    This whole thing looks like something the Russians concocted to make money. Physics based, it doesn't make much sense at all.
    If the guy who invented the working model says it works then why wouldnt it?
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    Re: Neutron Bomb Question

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    If the guy who invented the working model says it works then why wouldnt it?
    Because it doesn't? The material he called it does not act in the way he says it does. Furthermore, his entire argument on red mercury is based off secret interviews that the man who conducted the interviews has apparently nothing to say about them or even if they happened. And actual real experiences with red mercury have either been ploys to catch terrorists or make money off of fools. Nothing tangible has come up that the stuff actually exists. The whole thing reeks of a Kremlin get rich quick scam.
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    Re: Neutron Bomb Question

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    They will remain technological inferiors. Have you seen our defense budget?
    I can agree with that. One of my best friends worked military avionics systems tech support. They are light years ahead of the next best thing.
    Some of the things they can do right now are akin to magic by comparison.
    Every year stupid amounts of money are being thrown in to multiply the effectiveness of old and new systems as well.
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    Re: Neutron Bomb Question

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Because it doesn't? The material he called it does not act in the way he says it does. Furthermore, his entire argument on red mercury is based off secret interviews that the man who conducted the interviews has apparently nothing to say about them or even if they happened. And actual real experiences with red mercury have either been ploys to catch terrorists or make money off of fools. Nothing tangible has come up that the stuff actually exists. The whole thing reeks of a Kremlin get rich quick scam.
    What happened to the 1000 bombs created in the 80's? The were supposedly not deployed in nato areas.
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    Re: Neutron Bomb Question

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    What happened to the 1000 bombs created in the 80's? The were supposedly not deployed in nato areas.
    As I understand it, there were only a few actually made. And it's questionable if they left anything standing after the bomb went off to irradiate. Scarecrow is operating under the pop culture guise that a neutron bomb leaves structures in tact and only saturates the area with life killing radiation. This is simply untrue as the blast to produce the neutrons is still a nuclear explosion and does level many buildings and produce the heat and shock wave consistent with a nuclear explosion. IMO, I don't really see the point in current neutron technology and until we figure out a way to produce the sufficent level of neutrons without the nuclear explosion, it's counterproductive. We're better off just stop the invasion force in the water. Seems to me that would be easier. Or just not get into a war. That would be even easier, Ron Paul style.
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    Re: Neutron Bomb Question

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    As I understand it, there were only a few actually made. And it's questionable if they left anything standing after the bomb went off to irradiate. Scarecrow is operating under the pop culture guise that a neutron bomb leaves structures in tact and only saturates the area with life killing radiation. This is simply untrue as the blast to produce the neutrons is still a nuclear explosion and does level many buildings and produce the heat and shock wave consistent with a nuclear explosion. IMO, I don't really see the point in current neutron technology and until we figure out a way to produce the sufficent level of neutrons without the nuclear explosion, it's counterproductive. We're better off just stop the invasion force in the water. Seems to me that would be easier. Or just not get into a war. That would be even easier, Ron Paul style.
    Compared to regular nuclear weapons, the explosive power of a neutron bomb is small, its effective use is its killing radiation.
    Damage to infrastructure is minimal, as is residual radiation.
    Used on an actual battlefield, it causes less risk to friendly troops who may need to occupy the area after the blast.
    BUT, radiation poisoning deaths are considered inhumane compared to outright incineration by regular nuclear weapons.
    Painful and slow death vs. instant bar-b-q, but the former leaves infrastructure mostly intact to be used by civilians (after their troops are buried)...
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    Re: Neutron Bomb Question

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Compared to regular nuclear weapons, the explosive power of a neutron bomb is small, its effective use is its killing radiation.
    Do we have actual test results on this?

    Damage to infrastructure is minimal, as is residual radiation.
    Actually as I understand it, it levels mostly everything that isn't up to military grade construction. The primary use of neutrons is to take out armor units which are protected from the blast but not from radiation. The idea isn't to save the infrastructure, but to eliminate massive Soviet tank columns without irradiating the land. So it does wipe out buildings as a side effect. Remember that we dismantled our neutrons after the Soviet Union well as the risk of massive Soviet tank invasions no longer existed, taking with it the purpose of a neutron bomb.

    but the former leaves infrastructure mostly intact to be used by civilians (after their troops are buried)...
    Where did you get this notion from? As I understand, the blast is pretty significant. Remember that the range of the weapon is pretty small. While the fringe of the blast is not heavily damaged, the ground zero is.
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