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Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

  • Yes, and they should be integrated with the males

    Votes: 44 46.3%

  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

    Votes: 11 11.6%

  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    Votes: 25 26.3%

  • No, women should never serve in a role where they may encounter combat

    Votes: 6 6.3%

  • Other....

    Votes: 9 9.5%
  • Total voters
    95
Redress said:
As a liberal, I don't think you will have ever seen me defend her. I also suspect I know more about special forces than you ever will.
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My last year in,,I Served with BMU1. (Beach Masters, Unit One.) We worked with the Seal Teams. :)

We match perfectly on defending Rosie.:lol: Take care.
 
Realist1 said:
So far you've stated that you've hit Women. (In the Line of Duty), so you say. I haven't...You've trained with Women in the Martial Arts. I haven't. You want Women to be placed in Hand to Hand Combat with Men. I don't.

99.9.% of the Women I know will tell you to bugger off Lerxst. :lol: There's no "wondering" about that fact Lex.:)

Take care.
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Who the heck are you to speak for 99.9% of women? Did you take a personal poll of all the women in this country? This is just your opinion paraded as facts. I'm a woman and I would consider being in hand to hand combat with a man. Some men are such whimps I'm sure I would have no problem.

How dare you speak for women. Any man pretending to speak for women can only be considered a arrogant chauvinist know it all. I feel sorry for any women in your life when you feel free to speak for them and others.
 
smartaleck said:
Who the heck are you to speak for 99.9% of women? Did you take a personal poll of all the women in this country? This is just your opinion paraded as facts. I'm a woman and I would consider being in hand to hand combat with a man. Some men are such whimps I'm sure I would have no problem.

How dare you speak for women. Any man pretending to speak for women can only be considered a arrogant chauvinist know it all. I feel sorry for any women in your life when you feel free to speak for them and others.
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Pay attention Smartaleck...I said, 99.9.% of the Women I know would tell Lerxst to bugger off, in being placed in Hand to Hand Combat with Men.:)

I don't know you...Do I? :lol:
 
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Realist1 said:
Pay attention Smartaleck...I said, 99.9.% of the Women I know would tell Lerxst to bugger off, in being placed in Hand to Hand Combat with Men.:)

I don't know you...Do I? :lol:
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My husband trains in martial arts and he does spar with both women and men.
I mean... they all wear protective gear, but he has hit women, and they've hit him.
And they've injured him occasionally, by accident, despite the protective gear, and I suspect he's hurt them occasionally too.
 
1069 said:
My husband trains in martial arts and he does spar with both women and men.
I mean... they all wear protective gear, but he has hit women, and they've hit him.
And they've injured him occasionally, by accident, despite the protective gear, and I suspect he's hurt them occasionally too.
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Your husband beats women up.
 
Not sure what's worse, getting kicked squarely in the unprotected groin, or getting pressure cuts from getting kicked squarely in the protective cup. The first certainly stops hurting sooner.
 
windovervocalcords said:
i think women ought to be in special forces if they are interested enough and qualify. What the women look like has nothing to do with their qualifications.

I am sure there are some ugly men in special forces too.

Being ugly as hell could be a benefit serving in special forces. Why do you think they call them 'special'.

Are they all supposed to look like Demi Moore or Private Benjamin?
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Well, your a women and you don't even know how to quote right. Imagine someone like yourself on the battlefield. We are all screwed! I don't think a women should serve in the military, unless she has plans on being the whore on the base, should we say?
Women have no place on the battlefield, they would get all the men killed. And on top of that, they wouldn't be able to take the constant bullying, women don't like being bullied, they like being the bullies. Its why they are on the front desks. So they can bully new recruits.
 
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1069 said:
My husband trains in martial arts and he does spar with both women and men.
I mean... they all wear protective gear, but he has hit women, and they've hit him.
And they've injured him occasionally, by accident, despite the protective gear, and I suspect he's hurt them occasionally too.
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If,,,and I repeat if, I were to be placed in the situation of hand to hand combat with a Woman, I wouldn't like it. It goes against my grain. It goes against my upbringing. I've always detested, and loathed a "man" that raised his hand in anger to a Woman or Child.

I'm NOT implying your Husband is wrong in training with Women though...That's a Choice both of them made.

Take care.
 
stalin_was_a_nice_being said:
Well, your a women and you don't even know how to quote right. Imagine someone like yourself on the battlefield. We are all screwed! I don't think a women should serve in the military, unless she has plans on being the whore on the base, should we say?
Women have no place on the battlefield, they would get all the men killed. And on top of that, they wouldn't be able to take the constant bullying, women don't like being bullied, they like being the bullies. Its why they are on the front desks. So they can bully new recruits.
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Oh my goodness a real woman hater and not ashamend to show it either.
 
1069 said:
My husband trains in martial arts and he does spar with both women and men.
I mean... they all wear protective gear, but he has hit women, and they've hit him.
And they've injured him occasionally, by accident, despite the protective gear, and I suspect he's hurt them occasionally too.
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The men I've sparred with in martial arts training never held back, and neither did I. My partner in one class took the wind out of me hard with a solid punch in my solar plexus before one sparring round even officially started. Why did he throw a punch before he was supposed to? Because I dropped my eyes from my opponent [him] for just a second. Was a lesson I never forgot.

My instructor managed a few kicks to my chest from time to time when I didn't dodge fast enough. He didn't pull his punches or kicks during spars unless his punches/kicks would have actually broken bones. That's pretty much the rule we all went by.

When I threw my opponents over my shoulder, I didn't hold back or feel sorry when they went *thud* on the mat in front of me. ;) Somehow I'm doubting they did either. LOL


And honestly, if I'd found out that any of them were holding back because I was a woman, I'd have been HIGHLY pissed off and would have quit the class. I'd want no part in any training that treated me as a child or some inferior being, or that they had so little respect for me that they treated me unequally.
 
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rivrrat said:
The men I've sparred with in martial arts training never held back, and neither did I. My partner in one class took the wind out of me hard with a solid punch in my solar plexus before one sparring round even officially started. Why did he throw a punch before he was supposed to? Because I dropped my eyes from my opponent [him] for just a second. Was a lesson I never forgot.

My instructor managed a few kicks to my chest from time to time when I didn't dodge fast enough. He didn't pull his punches or kicks during spars unless his punches/kicks would have actually broken bones. That's pretty much the rule we all went by.

When I threw my opponents over my shoulder, I didn't hold back or feel sorry when they went *thud* on the mat in front of me. ;) Somehow I'm doubting they did either. LOL


And honestly, if I'd found out that any of them were holding back because I was a woman, I'd have been HIGHLY pissed off and would have quit the class. I'd want no part in any training that treated me as a child or some inferior being, or that they had so little respect for me that they treated me unequally.
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I think both Men and Women should be taught Self Defense in some fashion. With all the "Garbage" out there, One should be able to take care of themselves, and not have to rely on anyone else for their protection.

Take care.
 
rivrrat said:
The men I've sparred with in martial arts training never held back, and neither did I. My partner in one class took the wind out of me hard with a solid punch in my solar plexus before one sparring round even officially started. Why did he throw a punch before he was supposed to? Because I dropped my eyes from my opponent [him] for just a second. Was a lesson I never forgot.

My instructor managed a few kicks to my chest from time to time when I didn't dodge fast enough. He didn't pull his punches or kicks during spars unless his punches/kicks would have actually broken bones. That's pretty much the rule we all went by.

When I threw my opponents over my shoulder, I didn't hold back or feel sorry when they went *thud* on the mat in front of me. ;) Somehow I'm doubting they did either. LOL


And honestly, if I'd found out that any of them were holding back because I was a woman, I'd have been HIGHLY pissed off and would have quit the class. I'd want no part in any training that treated me as a child or some inferior being, or that they had so little respect for me that they treated me unequally.
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I do not want to come across as ill spirited, but there is a fine line between competition and practice. There is a reason sports, especially weight limit sports, are not co-ed, and that reason is that women would get hurt bad. Men are faster, stronger, and less likely to get injured with impact. Women are more flexible, and "ligamently laxed".

Consider the reason Olympic events differ between men and women, ie still rings and pummel horse.


IMHO, women should not be in the general infantry for two reasons: the first is that they are not as physically capable of performing feats such as carrying heavy weight, running with great speed, and not becoming injured as result of attempting. The second is quite simple, opposition would most likely be more inclined to rape female prisoners.
 
Die thread die!
 
Goldenboy219 said:
I do not want to come across as ill spirited, but there is a fine line between competition and practice. There is a reason sports, especially weight limit sports, are not co-ed, and that reason is that women would get hurt bad. Men are faster, stronger, and less likely to get injured with impact. Women are more flexible, and "ligamently laxed".

Consider the reason Olympic events differ between men and women, ie still rings and pummel horse.


IMHO, women should not be in the general infantry for two reasons: the first is that they are not as physically capable of performing feats such as carrying heavy weight, running with great speed, and not becoming injured as result of attempting. The second is quite simple, opposition would most likely be more inclined to rape female prisoners.
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Damm,,,I know I'll be attacked for this, screw it...You nailed it G/B. :) Case in point, a 200 Pound Man strikes a 120 pound female dead on in the face...Not a "slap" mind you.:roll: Not a "Pulled Punch".:)

End of Story. Need I go into detail, if the "male" was a Muslim Butt Head, and you woke up under his control?:doh
 
1069 said:
My husband trains in martial arts and he does spar with both women and men.
I mean... they all wear protective gear, but he has hit women, and they've hit him.
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Still with this? And when their puspose becomes to kill their opponent with bare fists and knives, the women will find themselves horribly out matched. There is no "protective gear" that makes hand-to-hand combat a game or a sparring match. There are no referees and there are no point schemes.

This isn't about getting the woman her business suit in corporate America. Your "stage" will only send women to their guranteed deaths. Once again, the infantry is for the select few women that can old their own. It is not an arena for "women's rights."
 
GySgt said:
Still with this? And when their puspose becomes to kill their opponent with bare fists and knives, the women will find themselves horribly out matched. There is no "protective gear" that makes hand-to-hand combat a game or a sparring match.
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Not if they're trained better than the enemy.
 
Apocalypse said:
Not if they're trained better than the enemy.
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The kind of training that can make up for a 100 pound difference in lean body mass takes years, not months-- and you are resting your argument on the incredibly dangerous assumption that our enemies will not have access to adequate training themselves.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
The kind of training that can make up for a 100 pound difference in lean body mass takes years, not months-- and you are resting your argument on the incredibly dangerous assumption that our enemies will not have access to adequate training themselves.
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It is foolish to assume that was what I based my remarks on.
I made a simple statement, that if the training is better than that of the enemy, there would be no problem.
This statement doesn't say whether the enemy's training is good or poor.

As for the other part of your post, certain combat styles do not rely on the weight or strength of the user.
 
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Apocalypse said:
As for the other part of your post, certain combat styles do not rely on the weight or strength of the user.
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The style may not, but the fighter still does. Muscle is more than just striking power. It is also weight, speed, and inertia, and it provides resistance to injuries, not just from strikes but from the kinds of joint locks and choke holds that soft styles rely upon to control and disable an enemy.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
The style may not, but the fighter still does. Muscle is more than just striking power. It is also weight, speed, and inertia, and it provides resistance to injuries, not just from strikes but from the kinds of joint locks and choke holds that soft styles rely upon to control and disable an enemy.
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I will repeat, certain combat styles do not rely on the weight or strength of their users.
Simply train the female soldiers to use those combat styles and there should be no problem.
A female wouldn't have to face a lock if she could avoid it, and even if she did there are ways to get out of a lock without using strength or muscles.
 
GySgt said:
Still with this? And when their puspose becomes to kill their opponent with bare fists and knives, the women will find themselves horribly out matched. There is no "protective gear" that makes hand-to-hand combat a game or a sparring match. There are no referees and there are no point schemes.

This isn't about getting the woman her business suit in corporate America. Your "stage" will only send women to their guranteed deaths. Once again, the infantry is for the select few women that can old their own. It is not an arena for "women's rights."
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I don't think a single person is arguing that women who can't hold their own should be in combat. In fact, quite the opposite.
 
Apocalypse said:
As for the other part of your post, certain combat styles do not rely on the weight or strength of the user.
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"Styles" are a matter of competition in a controlled environment. Most real hand-to-hand fighting will eventually go to ground. And it is at this point where weight and muscle become a great factor in gaining leverage and control.

Can a woman direct blows towards pressure points? Can she manipulate an opponent into arm bars or kill blows? Most certainly. But for the vast majority of the time, even a man must invest in a grappling match before he can achieve his position. Real fighting isn't about finess or perfectly Rocky orchestrated scenarios. It is for this reason, the Marine Corps invests a lot of hand-to-hand combat training towards ground fighting. The average citizen in any country can be subjected to manipulation from the standing. But the average enemy has been trained to fight as well and will not simply submit to standing manuevers.

How long would a UFC match last between a man and a woman? Especially if the result is possible death? The infantry is extremely physical, aggressive, and fast moving. The female drop rate on a unit run, where females are present, is extremely high if not total. The "oddity" would be a certain female Captain (future Ops O at the comm school house) who trains for triathalons. She would be that extreme exception that could be in the American infantry. She has attitude, drive, and natural (and personally trained) physical strength.

We either have a "fair" infantry proffession or we have the best.
 
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rivrrat said:
I don't think a single person is arguing that women who can't hold their own should be in combat. In fact, quite the opposite.
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I think 1069 is looking at this as if it's the final frontier for women's rights and that it should be as open to women as anything else. Perhaps I'm reading her wrong.
 
GySgt said:
I think 1069 is looking at this as if it's the final frontier for women's rights and that it should be as open to women as anything else. Perhaps I'm reading her wrong.
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a. you probably got 10 right IMO
b. you are not mod anymore? that sucks. well for the board, probably not for you
 
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