View Poll Results: Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

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  • Yes, and they should be integrated with the males

    101 57.71%
  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

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  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    33 18.86%
  • No, women should never serve in a role where they may encounter combat

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    The style may not, but the fighter still does. Muscle is more than just striking power. It is also weight, speed, and inertia, and it provides resistance to injuries, not just from strikes but from the kinds of joint locks and choke holds that soft styles rely upon to control and disable an enemy.
    I will repeat, certain combat styles do not rely on the weight or strength of their users.
    Simply train the female soldiers to use those combat styles and there should be no problem.
    A female wouldn't have to face a lock if she could avoid it, and even if she did there are ways to get out of a lock without using strength or muscles.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Still with this? And when their puspose becomes to kill their opponent with bare fists and knives, the women will find themselves horribly out matched. There is no "protective gear" that makes hand-to-hand combat a game or a sparring match. There are no referees and there are no point schemes.

    This isn't about getting the woman her business suit in corporate America. Your "stage" will only send women to their guranteed deaths. Once again, the infantry is for the select few women that can old their own. It is not an arena for "women's rights."
    I don't think a single person is arguing that women who can't hold their own should be in combat. In fact, quite the opposite.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    As for the other part of your post, certain combat styles do not rely on the weight or strength of the user.
    "Styles" are a matter of competition in a controlled environment. Most real hand-to-hand fighting will eventually go to ground. And it is at this point where weight and muscle become a great factor in gaining leverage and control.

    Can a woman direct blows towards pressure points? Can she manipulate an opponent into arm bars or kill blows? Most certainly. But for the vast majority of the time, even a man must invest in a grappling match before he can achieve his position. Real fighting isn't about finess or perfectly Rocky orchestrated scenarios. It is for this reason, the Marine Corps invests a lot of hand-to-hand combat training towards ground fighting. The average citizen in any country can be subjected to manipulation from the standing. But the average enemy has been trained to fight as well and will not simply submit to standing manuevers.

    How long would a UFC match last between a man and a woman? Especially if the result is possible death? The infantry is extremely physical, aggressive, and fast moving. The female drop rate on a unit run, where females are present, is extremely high if not total. The "oddity" would be a certain female Captain (future Ops O at the comm school house) who trains for triathalons. She would be that extreme exception that could be in the American infantry. She has attitude, drive, and natural (and personally trained) physical strength.

    We either have a "fair" infantry proffession or we have the best.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I don't think a single person is arguing that women who can't hold their own should be in combat. In fact, quite the opposite.
    I think 1069 is looking at this as if it's the final frontier for women's rights and that it should be as open to women as anything else. Perhaps I'm reading her wrong.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    I think 1069 is looking at this as if it's the final frontier for women's rights and that it should be as open to women as anything else. Perhaps I'm reading her wrong.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    I think 1069 is looking at this as if it's the final frontier for women's rights and that it should be as open to women as anything else. Perhaps I'm reading her wrong.
    Then she is wrong. You mention a woman who could keep up, so it is doable. In the case of infantry, for women to serve in it, they would have to be able to perform as well as any one else or it would not work.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You mention a woman who could keep up, so it is doable.
    Oh yeah. Captain Wilson could blow most of the men in the comm school away on a PT run if she set the distance and pace. I could do the distance, but she has a serious stride. I'd meet her at the end. And considering her triathalon training, stamina and endurance is something she has. She could do it.

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