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  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

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    Yes, racial. You mentioned "white" men having antiquated opinions. Now stop dodging the question and answer.
    Racial calling white men white is racial. I guess by your standards calling black men black is racial too.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by smartaleck View Post
    Racial calling white men white is racial. I guess by your standards calling black men black is racial too.
    If you had said just old men you would be able to use that in your defense. You purposely used the terms...

    "Another point well made . Especially about the old white dudes." - smartaleck

    The military of the US contains many Blacks, Hispanics etc as well as whites. So why were whites singled out?

    Now in your defense I think the line Deejay said was similar to saying it is a "good old boy network" or something to that effect. It is bigoted, but not along racist lines.

    Racist no, sexist is most likely.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    It should be based on performance, not gender; If a woman could do the job better than a man then let's do it.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    It should be based on performance, not gender; If a woman could do the job better than a man then let's do it.
    That is only a part of the argument, but they can't. If this were the case females would be playing professional sports with men. They don't because they cannot compete physically.

    Now exceptions in both cases to that rule exist, but they are so few and far in between it is not worth it.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If you had said just old men you would be able to use that in your defense. You purposely used the terms...

    "Another point well made . Especially about the old white dudes." - smartaleck

    The military of the US contains many Blacks, Hispanics etc as well as whites. So why were whites singled out?

    Now in your defense I think the line Deejay said was similar to saying it is a "good old boy network" or something to that effect. It is bigoted, but not along racist lines.

    Racist no, sexist is most likely.
    If your going to quote me then quote me don't just take the parts of my statements to make a point. I said that I had to laugh because my husband was one of those old white dudes. When someone say's they are laughing that usually means something is funny not to be taken seriously.

    If I'm no offend about my husband being called a old white dude why should you be? I know some people here don't have a sense of humor but really not to even know a joke when you see it?

    Some people are only here to be serious and to prove they are right and everyone else is wrong and that's their thing and good for them. If you want to make a mountain out of a molehill more power to you.

    I have stated over and over I'm not here to get in arguments with people who already have their minds made up . It's a wast of time to me. Thats my thing.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    I can't believe this thread is so popular.

    Women in the infantry. Women on the "front lines" shouldn't be an argument since women have been on the front lines in Iraq since 2004. But actively carrying the 0300 MOS?

    The American military is unlike every single military in the world. We constantly deploy to Cold Weather Training, Desert Training, Mountain Warfare Training, Jungle Training, etc. all over the world. A female in the American infantry doesn't mean the same thing as it does in other nations militaries. They would not be asked to hang out within their borders or stand a post in a shack within their borders or deploy occassionally when it's time to go to work. We have seen the pictures of packs, weapons systems, and battle loads but we don't stop to consider these pictures in mountainous or cold weather environments.

    The vast majority of women could not stand the rigors that the vast majority of men can. Truth sucks, but there it is. For example: I just graduated a course for Gunnys. There were 99. Four of which were women. During the Confidence Course portion, all four women fell off the cable and into the water because they could not hold themselves up or pull their legs back onto the cable to shimmy or slide to the end. Of course, a few men fell too, but 100% of the women did. This is not a militay arena that should be "open" to women as it is for the men. That being said, maybe there should be a special indoc for women who actively wish to be a "Grunt." Only the few would meet the standard.

    And by the way, the "old white man's club" argument merely seeks to deny the truths, which make some of us uncomfortable.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    I can't believe this thread is so popular.

    Women in the infantry. Women on the "front lines" shouldn't be an argument since women have been on the front lines in Iraq since 2004. But actively carrying the 0300 MOS?

    The American military is unlike every single military in the world. We constantly deploy to Cold Weather Training, Desert Training, Mountain Warfare Training, Jungle Training, etc. all over the world. A female in the American infantry doesn't mean the same thing as it does in other nations militaries. They would not be asked to hang out within their borders or stand a post in a shack within their borders or deploy occassionally when it's time to go to work. We have seen the pictures of packs, weapons systems, and battle loads but we don't stop to consider these pictures in mountainous or cold weather environments.

    The vast majority of women could not stand the rigors that the vast majority of men can. Truth sucks, but there it is. For example: I just graduated a course for Gunnys. There were 99. Four of which were women. During the Confidence Course portion, all four women fell off the cable and into the water because they could not hold themselves up or pull their legs back onto the cable to shimmy or slide to the end. Of course, a few men fell too, but 100% of the women did. This is not a militay arena that should be "open" to women as it is for the men. That being said, maybe there should be a special indoc for women who actively wish to be a "Grunt." Only the few would meet the standard.

    And by the way, the "old white man's club" argument merely seeks to deny the truths, which make some of us uncomfortable.
    Thanks so much for the really informing us on this question of women in the infantry. It is great that someone with your actuall experience has taken the time to infom us on on this subject. We couldn't ask for anyone more able to teach us here on the subject and as far as I'm concerned we will not get any more informed than this. I'm really happy you posted to this question.

    First of all I being a woman really did want to be informed on this subject It only takes a little resoning on anyones part to realize women are not physically fit to do the job of a grunt as some stated. The problem I had was their might me a few women that could do it and that they should be able to at least try . Just because I knew the majority of women couldn't do it didn't make it fair that the few women who could do it couldn't get a fair chance to prove it one way or the other.

    I like you idea that maybe their could be a special indoc for women who met the standards to be grunts. I"m really happy that you would be willing to give them a chance. most women cannot do the physical parts of being a grunt because nature has made them smaller and with less muscle mass but their are a few women that does not apply but like you said probably only a few.

    It is so nice to know that someone in charge of women and men in the military has such a open mind and a willingness to give women the same chance as a man. I know men can incourage women to do thier best and you are one of those people..

    I'm glad that women get to prove themselves one way or the other. Doesn't matter to me as long as they get the chance. It's nice to know that our kids both male and female in the military have someone like you to lead them.

    Thank you so much for all you have sacrificed to be in the military. I for one am a grateful citizen. Thanks

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by smartaleck View Post
    Racial calling white men white is racial. I guess by your standards calling black men black is racial too.
    Are you really that stupid? My point is that there was no reason to bring up "white" men to start with in this discussion. There are lots of black men in the army too, so why would white men specifically have anything to do with women not being in combat?

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    I just graduated a course for Gunnys. There were 99. Four of which were women. During the Confidence Course portion, all four women fell off the cable and into the water because they could not hold themselves up or pull their legs back onto the cable to shimmy or slide to the end. Of course, a few men fell too, but 100% of the women did.
    Hmm. 100% of the four. That would be... um, four of them, right?
    And "a few" of the 95 men fell off too.
    How many is "a few"? More than four?

    If there had been 95 women and four men in the course, do you think it's possible that all four of the men could've fallen?
    Do you think all 95 of the women would've?

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