View Poll Results: Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

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  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

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  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    33 18.86%
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    This is precisely what happened in Iraq. The US military abandoned its doctrines when it morphed from an invasion force (magnificent) to an occupation force. Modern militaries are not trained to occupy and doing so puts them at a distinct disadvantage. This holds true anywhere in the word.
    This is true but it has very little bearing on the discussion.

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    Females should not be in combat arms for anything other than a support role, period.

    No one to date has offered any evidence to say otherwise. Although they are high on emotion and speculation.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    I'm currently an active duty soldier and the idea of women in the infantry is ****ing stupid. Just because you ran convoys doesn't mean you know what the hell you're talking about.
    Although I may disagree with Tashah on certain aspects of this issue, I would never be so silly as to suggest that she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. She most certainly does.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Doesnt matter where you are. The doctrine is the same. Intelligence, speed, mobility, and power projection. This notion of manly endurance and hiking through the countryside is total bs. Virtually all modern Infantry are mounted. Humvees and trucks or chopper ferries. You're gonna get your ass chewed up in anyone's back yard moving and fighting in slo-mo.
    Tashah, if you are suggesting that modern combat operations do not require a substantial amount of physical and mental endurance then you are totally mistaken.

    My first five days in Ramadi I probably slept a total of 12-15 hours. It was nonstop patrolling, building, and standing post. I was having mild hallucinations by the last night.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Females should not be in combat arms for anything other than a support role, period.
    What about fully-combat units that only engage in quick assaults/operations?
    It seems to me that you only have a problem with sending females to the units that are required to stay in the battlefield and survive through harsh conditions.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Although I may disagree with Tashah on certain aspects of this issue, I would never be so silly as to suggest that she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. She most certainly does.
    If she advocates putting women in infantry units, she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. Period.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Tashah, if you are suggesting that modern combat operations do not require a substantial amount of physical and mental endurance then you are totally mistaken. My first five days in Ramadi I probably slept a total of 12-15 hours. It was nonstop patrolling, building, and standing post. I was having mild hallucinations by the last night.
    The US military is not suited for occupation. No modern military is. The cost in blood, treasure, and equipment in Iraq is staggering. Occupation is what any modern military does least best. If you wish to reprise this experience again and again down the road, be my guest. But the extant results will be fairly consistent.

    What I am suggesting, and what has been proven true in other parts of the world, is that females can indeed contribute significantly on the modern battlefield. No, females generally can't hump thirty miles lugging a SAW. But if your military finds it necessary for any Infantry soldiers to do this, then your military is in some deep **** from the get-go. Such exacting excercises are best left to elite personel such as Special Forces.

    Intelligence, speed, mobility, and combined-arms capability are the keys to successful ground operations. Getting bogged down kills. I suppose some muscle-bound tattooed grunt has to lug a friggin SAW around. But me? I'll take the female soldier who can obliterate anything two clicks away using a lightweight headset, laser designator, and laptop. You see Ethereal, one need not be the strongest and baddest dude on the block to be extremely proficcient and successful at killing the enemy. This ability can come in any size, or gender.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    If she advocates putting women in infantry units, she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. Period.
    Well lookit you Mr. G.I. Joe. If you ain't the biggest baddest dude on the DP block! Even got yerself a username and crappy avatar to puff your bad stuff. My oh my. But it's been my experience that those who need to publicly flex usually know the least.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Unfortunately, I think quite a few look at this through a soda straw. You see what you want to see and ignore the bigger picture. Same old same old.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    The US military is not suited for occupation. No modern military is. The cost in blood, treasure, and equipment in Iraq is staggering. Occupation is what any modern military does least best. If you wish to reprise this experience again and again down the road, be my guest. But the extant results will be fairly consistent.

    What I am suggesting, and what has been proven true in other parts of the world, is that females can indeed contribute significantly on the modern battlefield. No, females generally can't hump thirty miles lugging a SAW. But if your military finds it necessary for any Infantry soldiers to do this, then your military is in some deep **** from the get-go. Such exacting excercises are best left to elite personel such as Special Forces.

    Intelligence, speed, mobility, and combined-arms capability are the keys to successful ground operations. Getting bogged down kills. I suppose some muscle-bound tattooed grunt has to lug a friggin SAW around. But me? I'll take the female soldier who can obliterate anything two clicks away using a lightweight headset, laser designator, and laptop. You see Ethereal, one need not be the strongest and baddest dude on the block to be extremely proficcient and successful at killing the enemy. This ability can come in any size, or gender.

    Great post.

    The UK for example has female soldiers regularly riding top cover on patrol in their area.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Well lookit you Mr. G.I. Joe. If you ain't the biggest baddest dude on the DP block! Even got yerself a username and crappy avatar to puff your bad stuff. My oh my. But it's been my experience that those who need to publicly flex usually know the least.


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