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  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Comparing pushing a baby out and infantry requirements is comparing apples to oranges. Infantry doesn't require a tolerance to severe pain.






    If women are not held to the same physical standards as their male counterparts then they should not be in the infantry period. Being a infantryman requires more than just being able to shoot. I seriously doubt most women with the same exact training as their male counterparts could do just as well as their male counterparts. The Army and even Marines have lower standards for females. Maybe it is a cost-benefit analysis as another posted why females are not allowed in the infantry or even combat arms MOSs.
    I guess when it comes to women you know it all but can't even understand a simple statement made by one. You made the statement that women can't focus so I used a little humor to make the point we could focus but you didn't get the statement or the humor.

    You already have your preconcieved ideas about women so thier isn't much else I can say to you. Once people have a closed mind you cannot have a intelligent discussion with them. They will only spend the time trying to prove they are right and you are wrong and ignore any facts they don't want to hear.

    Discussion over.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Most men here (and most have never served) seem to imagine modern Combat as Vic Morrow leading his platoon of merry men through Europe circa 1944 with bayonets attached to their single-fire carbines. Most of you don't have a clue how a modern, integrated, and well trained military engages the enemy.

    SURVSATS. ELINT. Saturation shelling. Strafing. Drones with real-time video and more sensors than an F-16. GPS keypad gridding. 3-D structure layouts. Laser designators. Wireless laptops. Satellite up/down comm links. Special Forces inserts. Sniper team inserts. Recon team inserts. Spotter aircraft. Thunder runs. Armored spearheads. Chopper support. Close-Air-Support officers. All this before the Infantry even get out of their transports.

    Hand-to-hand combat? wtf?

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Watching Tashah kick the living hell out of the misogynists never gets old for me.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by smartaleck View Post
    I guess when it comes to women you know it all but can't even understand a simple statement made by one.
    I understand your feminist mantra of how women can do it,all the need to do is just shoot good and how no man has ever had to deliver a baby. I have no problem with women in the infantry as long as they can pass the same exact standards as their male counterparts, do exactly everything their male counterparts can do and no special considerations other than separate restrooms and showers.


    You made the statement that women can't focus
    Where did I say that?


    You already have your preconcieved ideas about women so thier isn't much else I can say to you.

    Once people have a closed mind you cannot have a intelligent discussion with them. They will only spend the time trying to prove they are right and you are wrong and ignore any facts they don't want to hear.

    Discussion over.
    My opinion is based on the fact I was a infantry soldier,not some sort of silly little sexist preconceived notions that you think I have. So I have better knowledge and experience than you do with your preconceived notion that all infantrymen have to do is shoot good. I bet you even think the only thing Army snipers have to do is shoot good?


    Men and women are not equal in strength and endurance and anyone who tells you otherwise is a ****en moron. If men and women were truly equal in physical strength and endurance then why do does the military have separate physical standards for males and females? IF men and women are equal physically equal they why is there separate sporting events for males and females they have separate sporting events for women? Why is there NBA and WNBA ,why is even something such as golf which is not a real sport in the first place have mens golf and women's golf.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Watching Tashah kick the living hell out of the misogynists never gets old for me.
    I do not think there is anyone here who has a hatred or severe mistrust of women and how exactly does mumbling or ranting about Vic Morrow(who the ****en hell is Vic Morrow?) and some other nonsense kick the living hell out of anyone?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Men and women are not equal in strength and endurance and anyone who tells you otherwise is a ****en moron. If men and women were truly equal in physical strength and endurance then why do does the military have separate physical standards for males and females? IF men and women are equal physically equal they why is there separate sporting events for males and females they have separate sporting events for women? Why is there NBA and WNBA ,why is even something such as golf which is not a real sport in the first place have mens golf and women's golf.
    This is sooo much bs. Most infantry utilize Humvees these days. I was embedded with Infantry forces in three different campaigns. Not only worked with them, but I had to be either on or near the point at all times.

    Your version of the military is so outdated it reeks. Get with it soldier boy.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Most men here (and most have never served) seem to imagine modern Combat as Vic Morrow leading his platoon of merry men through Europe circa 1944 with bayonets attached to their single-fire carbines. Most of you don't have a clue how a modern, integrated, and well trained military engages the enemy.

    SURVSATS. ELINT. Saturation shelling. Strafing. Drones with real-time video and more sensors than an F-16. GPS keypad gridding. 3-D structure layouts. Laser designators. Wireless laptops. Satellite up/down comm links. Special Forces inserts. Sniper team inserts. Recon team inserts. Spotter aircraft. Thunder runs. Armored spearheads. Chopper support. Close-Air-Support officers. All this before the Infantry even get out of their transports.

    Hand-to-hand combat? wtf?
    The grunts still get down and dirty, trust me.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    This is sooo much bs. Most infantry utilize Humvees these days. I was embedded with Infantry forces in three different campaigns. Not only worked with them, but I had to be either on or near the point at all times.
    What are the physical standards for males and females in the Israel? I am pretty sure the Israeli Army and the US army are different.

    Your version of the military is so outdated it reeks. Get with it soldier boy.
    I have been out the Army since 2003 so I find hard to believe that things have changed that much for infantry.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Most men here (and most have never served) seem to imagine modern Combat as Vic Morrow leading his platoon of merry men through Europe circa 1944 with bayonets attached to their single-fire carbines. Most of you don't have a clue how a modern, integrated, and well trained military engages the enemy.

    SURVSATS. ELINT. Saturation shelling. Strafing. Drones with real-time video and more sensors than an F-16. GPS keypad gridding. 3-D structure layouts. Laser designators. Wireless laptops. Satellite up/down comm links. Special Forces inserts. Sniper team inserts. Recon team inserts. Spotter aircraft. Thunder runs. Armored spearheads. Chopper support. Close-Air-Support officers. All this before the Infantry even get out of their transports.

    Hand-to-hand combat? wtf?
    And yet terrorist with 1950's technology keep winning out in the long run against modern army's.

    Go figure.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I have been out the Army since 2003 so I find hard to believe that things have changed that much for infantry.
    You would be surprised. They now have "time out" cards for "stressed" people in basic training. They run in t-shirts and shorts, oh man it is weak.

    The military is so pussified (training wise) compared to when I or even you were in.
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