View Poll Results: Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

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  • Yes, and they should be integrated with the males

    101 57.71%
  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

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  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    33 18.86%
  • No, women should never serve in a role where they may encounter combat

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The problem is that the post you referenced was debunked ages ago, by guys who served in the infantry.
    Well I guess I can take your word for that? Or are you going to post some proof contradicting the evidence I posted.

    "The cross-gender (F/M) odds ratio for discharges because of overuse injury rose from 4.0 (95% CI 2.8 to 5.7) under the gender-fair system to 7.5 (5.8 to 9.7) under the gender-free system (P=0.001). Despite reducing the number of women selected, the gender-free policy led to higher losses from overuse injuries.

    This study confirms and quantifies the excess risk for women when they undertake the same arduous training as male recruits, and highlights the conflict between health and safety legislation and equal opportunities legislation.
    " - Injuries among female army recruits: a conflict of legislation -- Gemmell 95 (1): 23 -- JRSM[/QUOTE]
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is true but as I have shown in a latter post, even that is not necessarily a good thing for females due to increased injurys.
    WTF? The injuries and decreased acceptance are GOOD things. They weed out the weaker links.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Women are indeed not equal to men, and when it comes to important issues such as combat, we cannot base our judgment on the value of equality.
    Yet, they are indeed capable to some degree of combat, and there are many support roles in the army that can be manned by females just as males.
    Those support roles involve combat, but do not require the same physical effort a fully-combat infantry would require.

    On a side note, my own sister is currently an active combat-supporter in the northern part of the country.
    No one person is equal to another when it comes to important issues such as combat. We cannot base our judgment on the value of individual equality.

    That's why we have training to weed out those who cannot perform adequately. Women should be set to the same standards as men for that very reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    For example if I am trapped in a burning building and unconscious, I would need someone to rescues me who can actually lift 200lbs of dead weight. Not to many female Firemen up to the job. Yet they go through the exact same training.
    From where do you get that presumption? I've not had fireman training. I'm 5'3". I can carry my 6'0, 200lb boyfriend on my back. It's really not that difficult. Especially if that person has had training on how to carry correctly, which all firemen do. (As have I)

    ANY fireman, male or female should be able to perform the job. I know plenty of men who couldn't do half the **** I can.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    WTF? The injuries and decreased acceptance are GOOD things. They weed out the weaker links.
    Not when you look at the big picture. Smaller numbers of females made it through the training and then a larger percentage had to be discharged for medical injuries.

    So not only do you have a reduction in raw manpower, but a higher rate if disabled veterans coming out of nothing more than training. In the end they found it was a complete waste of time and money.

    It was a lose, lose situation.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not when you look at the big picture. Smaller numbers of females made it through the training and then a larger percentage had to be discharged for medical injuries.

    So not only do you have a reduction in raw manpower, but a higher rate if disabled veterans coming out of nothing more than training. In the end they found it was a complete waste of time and money.

    It was a lose, lose situation.
    Perhaps they need a better screening process.

    And, why would they be disabled veterans when they didn't even complete the training? That's pretty retarded, and should be rectified immediately.

    Everyone should be at the same standard and those who cannot do it should be immediately removed and dismissed. No "disabled veterans", no severance, no nothing. Just a 'pack your bags and GTFO'.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    From where do you get that presumption? I've not had fireman training. I'm 5'3". I can carry my 6'0, 200lb boyfriend on my back. It's really not that difficult. Especially if that person has had training on how to carry correctly, which all firemen do. (As have I)

    ANY fireman, male or female should be able to perform the job. I know plenty of men who couldn't do half the **** I can.
    Carrying a conscious 200lb person on your back is very different from 200lbs of dead weight. Anyone with military or police training can tell you that.

    It happens all the time...

    "Woman Sues Chicago Police After Failing Department's Sit-Up Test" - Woman Sues Chicago Police After Failing Department's Sit-Up Test - Topix

    "It is impossible not to notice that every one of the 42 rookies graduating on December 7 is male.

    Three women were supposed to graduate. One was a 48-year-old grandmother an emergency medical technician and former airport baggage handler who failed key physical tests just weeks into the fire-academy training. Another, a young former soccer player for Notre Dame, nearly made it through, but failed on drills to raise heavy wooden ladders against a building as firefighters must do during a fire. The third was a tough former Air Force intelligence officer, terminated from the academy because she couldn't maintain the grueling pace.
    " - Los Angeles News - Women Firefighters: The Gender Boondoggle - page 1
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Carrying a conscious 200lb person on your back is very different from 200lbs of dead weight. Anyone with military or police training can tell you that.
    I've done both. It's not hard.

    And I've never noticed any perceptible difference between someone pretending to be unconscious and someone actually unconscious. Not as an EMT. Not as ski patrol. Not as a Rescue Diver. etc, etc.

    It happens all the time...

    "Woman Sues Chicago Police After Failing Department's Sit-Up Test" - Woman Sues Chicago Police After Failing Department's Sit-Up Test - Topix

    "It is impossible not to notice that every one of the 42 rookies graduating on December 7 is male.

    Three women were supposed to graduate. One was a 48-year-old grandmother an emergency medical technician and former airport baggage handler who failed key physical tests just weeks into the fire-academy training. Another, a young former soccer player for Notre Dame, nearly made it through, but failed on drills to raise heavy wooden ladders against a building as firefighters must do during a fire. The third was a tough former Air Force intelligence officer, terminated from the academy because she couldn't maintain the grueling pace.
    " - Los Angeles News - Women Firefighters: The Gender Boondoggle - page 1
    What happens all the time?
    Last edited by rivrrat; 07-14-09 at 11:48 PM.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Perhaps they need a better screening process.

    And, why would they be disabled veterans when they didn't even complete the training? That's pretty retarded, and should be rectified immediately.

    Everyone should be at the same standard and those who cannot do it should be immediately removed and dismissed. No "disabled veterans", no severance, no nothing. Just a 'pack your bags and GTFO'.
    It does not make a difference if higher numbers of injuries are caused With fewer recruits.

    Did you read the study? Or are you just assuming?

    So far you have put forth opinion only. Please get some evidence to back your argument up. We could sit here and argue opinion all night and it would mean nothing.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?
    That answer would be NO! Unless, of course there was an agreement that females who wanted to serve in infantry units were required to meet the same standards as male soldiers, or there was the creation of all female units.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I've done both. It's not hard.
    That is not true and you know it.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What happens all the time?
    Females entering jobs they are not physically able to do and then taking someone to court.
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