View Poll Results: Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

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  • Yes, and they should be integrated with the males

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  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

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  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    33 18.86%
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Why not? I was in the Navy and Nation Guard and had to be trained the same as the men and was required to do the same jobs they did and work along side of men as a equal.

    I believe it is out moded ideas that keep women from being in the combat. They do not have enough volunteer troops right now and are consideing using non violent criminals like they have in the past for the military. So criminals can be in combat positions but women can't.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by smartaleck View Post
    Why not? I was in the Navy and Nation Guard and had to be trained the same as the men and was required to do the same jobs they did and work along side of men as a equal.

    I believe it is out moded ideas that keep women from being in the combat. They do not have enough volunteer troops right now and are consideing using non violent criminals like they have in the past for the military. So criminals can be in combat positions but women can't.
    As soon as women are held to the same physical requirements as men, they mite have a chance. Only problem is we know this will not happen.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As soon as women are held to the same physical requirements as men, they mite have a chance. Only problem is we know this will not happen.
    Excuse me! I was held to the same physical requirements in boot camp both in the Navy and the National Guard. Women in the Army and Marines have to go through the same physical training as the men if they want to be Marines or in the Army.

    In the past you are correct women were not held to the same physical requirements as the men but that is no longer true. Women also have to become proficient in using the same firearms men do.

    My daughter-in-law is a police woman and had to go thorough the very same rigorous training as the men do. Exact same training as the men the military is no diffierent. She is allowed to use her weapon but women in the military can't. It is only the backward thinking of the military that is keeping women from combat positions. Nothing else.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by smartaleck View Post
    Excuse me! I was held to the same physical requirements in boot camp both in the Navy and the National Guard.
    So your saying you and other females had to road march with a 249 SAW or a m240,m60,35 pound ruck sack,24 hour road march and a 5 mile run and do the same amount and quality of push ups as your male counterparts for your age group as well as the same amount of time for your two mile run as your male counterparts for your age group? Considering the fact US Army infantry basic training is only at Fort Benning last time I checked I know you were not held to the same standards. So either they lowered the training for males at Fort Jackson or where ever else they have P.O.G. basic training, had separate basic training from the males or you are full of it.


    Women in the Army and Marines have to go through the same physical training as the men if they want to be Marines or in the Army.

    No they don't.Maybe in the marines but even then to pass a pt test the standards are not the same.



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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As soon as women are held to the same physical requirements as men, they mite have a chance. Only problem is we know this will not happen.
    It won't happen as long as sexist men are in charge, that's for sure. They're the only reason such sexist 'standards' are still in practice.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As soon as women are held to the same physical requirements as men, they mite have a chance. Only problem is we know this will not happen.
    They don't have to be on the battlefront.
    They can serve as an infantry support unit.
    There are also many kinds of roles in the army that involve combat and do not require its members to be on the battlefront.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    There are different physical standards for men in the military based upon age and rank, but they complete the same physical training. Why shouldn't women be dealt with in the same way that men are?

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by smartaleck View Post
    Excuse me! I was held to the same physical requirements in boot camp both in the Navy and the National Guard. Women in the Army and Marines have to go through the same physical training as the men if they want to be Marines or in the Army.
    Your PT test scores are not just a little lower, they were allot lower than what the males had to pass.

    Quote Originally Posted by smartaleck View Post
    In the past you are correct women were not held to the same physical requirements as the men but that is no longer true. Women also have to become proficient in using the same firearms men do.
    It is still true females do not have the upper body strength or speed of their male counter parts. This is no insult it is a medical fact.

    Men in the Field do not have to deal with female problems such as yeast, pregnancy or menstruation.

    Quote Originally Posted by smartaleck View Post
    My daughter-in-law is a police woman and had to go thorough the very same rigorous training as the men do. Exact same training as the men the military is no diffierent.
    The military is different. I know, I went through both.

    Quote Originally Posted by smartaleck View Post
    She is allowed to use her weapon but women in the military can't. It is only the backward thinking of the military that is keeping women from combat positions. Nothing else.
    No it is people who don't want to acknowledge that males and females are different.

    For example if I am trapped in a burning building and unconscious, I would need someone to rescues me who can actually lift 200lbs of dead weight. Not to many female Firemen up to the job. Yet they go through the exact same training.

    More food for thought...

    "The cross-gender (F/M) odds ratio for discharges because of overuse injury rose from 4.0 (95% CI 2.8 to 5.7) under the gender-fair system to 7.5 (5.8 to 9.7) under the gender-free system (P=0.001). Despite reducing the number of women selected, the gender-free policy led to higher losses from overuse injuries.

    This study confirms and quantifies the excess risk for women when they undertake the same arduous training as male recruits, and highlights the conflict between health and safety legislation and equal opportunities legislation.
    " - Injuries among female army recruits: a conflict of legislation -- Gemmell 95 (1): 23 -- JRSM
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    It won't happen as long as sexist men are in charge, that's for sure. They're the only reason such sexist 'standards' are still in practice.
    This is true but as I have shown in a latter post, even that is not necessarily a good thing for females due to increased injurys.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    They don't have to be on the battlefront.
    They can serve as an infantry support unit.
    There are also many kinds of roles in the army that involve combat and do not require its members to be on the battlefront.
    Females should not be in infantry, armor or artillery unless it is some kind of support role. So I guess I agree with you.
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