Yes, and they should be integrated with the males
Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units
No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training
No, women should never serve in a role where they may encounter combat
One small outfit I worked for a couple years ago had a woman, and she was damn good.
We men didn't want to leave her by herself in some homes which were out of the city. Even if she was at a job in town, we would drive by and "see if she needed anything from the shop" if we were on our way there. Yeah, she was cute, and that was part of it (before you get any ideas, she was married and we respected that) but we were passively being protective of her.
The men didn't do that with each other, we only did that with her.
She saw our behavior for what it was, but since it was quite passive a we respected her as a professional, she passed it off as "cute" and used us to bring her Starbucks
Gender never got in the way of the job getting don. Our protectiveness was there, but she could do and did every job that everyone else did. No one ever said "that counter is too heavy for you" or "we don't want you to be alone all day way out in the hills".
Of course, that's not combat, that's remodeling, but I hope my personal experiences here help clarify what we're talking about
Last edited by Jerry; 06-01-09 at 10:54 AM.
Homosexual men have the neurological sexual attraction of heterosexual women, and I mean the same interpretation of the same pheromones by the same parts of the brain.
When addressing how sexual attraction affects a unit, hetero women and gay men are the same thing.
When I started working doing street gang intervention, some of the guys I worked with were incredibly protective. They didn't want me working with the worst, most dangerous kids. My lieutenant had to read them the riot act and tell them, "She was hired to work with THOSE KIDS. That is her job. Any questions?"
And, over time, they realized they didn't have to protect me, I was doing a job that I chose to do and I understood the risks.
It's a learning curve. Every time I got a new Lt., I had to educate that person all over again. The last one was the most frustrating for me, after five years of doing the job, he was insistent that I not be out alone in the community. Well, hell, there was really no other way for me to do my job. We had multiple throw downs until he finally agreed to just let me do the job I was hired to do.
I really think that it just takes time. I think the natural inclination with guys, when you're one of the first females doing a job, is to be overly protective. That passes when they see that you can handle yourself.
Last edited by Jerry; 06-01-09 at 01:56 PM.
With the issue of romance and sex of women jointly serving with men in the military, that question is exactly the same as homosexual men serving with men in the military.
Unfortunately, we are virtually dinosaurs in that regards. While men, particularly teens, have mouth courage if they are in a shielded or not threatened situation, most are cowards and only concerned of themselves. Other than basic necessities such as food, water, shelter etc until recently the focus of my life was the ability to defend against and not fear men on a physical level. I have gone to the defense of women and more rare children including in punitive ways. The result, among others, was being arrested over half a dozen times for assault but no convictions. Apparently the police agreed to the punitive action and only questioned the degree of it.
My motives in doing so are suspect and probably many including anger management issues, enjoying having excuse to do so, impressing women, fighting old battles on those men and ego issues. I like to think it also was out of a sense of justice in the jungle where there otherwise is no justice at all. It was gender oriented in that I would not hurt a woman to that degree if she was doing the same thing. You donít pop a woman in the mouth for mouthing off at you. That is exactly what you do to another man. Iím not sure where I stand on corporal punishment of a child. I do know where I stand on corporal punishment of a punk.
I see no problem with women serving along side men in the military including the infantry. The protective natures of soldiers already is one of defensiveness of anyone in the unit seen as weaker so I donít see any real change it would bring in that regards. Fortunately the men in our military for the most part are men in that regards. In our civilian population there arenít many men in that way left.
On the pregnancy issue I see on problem with requiring women to be on required birth control if in an infantry unit. If the woman doesnít like it, donít join.
Equality needs to be equal and if women are to have equality and all male gender role rights, they should also share in the risk of dying in combat. Equal rights and benefits means equal duties and risks.
Of all I have read on this forum the most insightful is the quote of Rat you put in your sig. I never cease to be amazed at the seeming extreme courage men post on this board intermixed with whining about how they are being picked on.
Now see, despite my support for women in the military, I'm not going to support this issue for the sake of "equality". Now don't get me wrong here, I think female infantry units would be great, but I don't give a rat's ass about so-called "equal rights" in this case.
It's the military, you are there to protect rights, not express rights. The very last thing we need is more political correctness injected into the service.