View Poll Results: Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

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  • Yes, and they should be integrated with the males

    101 57.71%
  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

    16 9.14%
  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    33 18.86%
  • No, women should never serve in a role where they may encounter combat

    15 8.57%
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Are we still arguing about integrating women into all male combat units?

    There is a place for women in combat arms, you cannot intelligently deny this. Integrating them with males is a bad idea, I'll agree with that. But I think this discussion is fully inclusive of the capability of women to be warfighters.

    To this end, nobody has proven they are incapable. To suggest this is sheer folly as there is no precedent on the matter. Only opinion.
    You really think that our society is willing to throw 800 young women into the teeth of a prepared defense? (As BN's are the level were the exclusion begins).

    And where would we integrate this all female BN? The 82nd? You think a bunch of male paratroopers are going to sit by while a bunch of women go into the meat grinder?

    How will locals react in a counter-insurgency to having a company of women show up to defend them? Do you really think that they, be the very definition of their ENTIRE female entinty will not create attacks in a society that hasn't accepted YOUR eqilitarian views regarding women?

    Who will lead them? Female infantry officers?

    And how will our enemy react when he is attacked by women? When he singles the unit our for attack? When they deliberately capture and rape a few of them? Again, what would have happened if it had been a couple of young women rather than young men from the 101st who were yanked off a Baghdad street and tortured and killed?

    You have avoided that question before, but you are ready to commit entire Battalions of women to battle when you cannot face the reality of only two women in the reality of te infantry battle?

    Our entire logistics systems exists upon the basis of integration, and you want to return to segregation? A concept that ultimately had to be abadnoned.

    Simply because you say there is no rational reason to exclude them, by separating them, making them unique and defining them as women, rather than infantrymen, you have created a slew of additional problems and what you certainly have not solved the problem of inequality.

    The idea is to win wars. The idea is not to use combat as some sort of proving ground for moral concepts best debated away from battle.

    We can deal with something as dangerous as a battle and equality when my sons can freely enter all women only colleges. No one will die if we get that one wrong, someone WILL die if we screw up the infantry.
    Last edited by gree0232; 05-27-09 at 08:24 PM.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Where did I do that ? I called a propaganda peddler a propaganda peddler
    calling his comment "propaganda" is specifically targeting his argument, and not his person.
    True. But that's not what you did. You specifically labeled HIM in an insulting way, hence ad hominem.

    What you did is EXACTLY what you whined about Lerxst doing. At least try to be consistent in your whining.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by gree0232 View Post
    You really think that our society is willing to throw 800 young women into the teeth of a prepared defense? (As BN's are the level were the exclusion begins).
    Don't women enjoy the same benefits of living in this society? Aren't they equally called upon to defend it?

    Where does equality stop? While we sit on our hands and watch the menfolks go off to die?
    You think a bunch of male paratroopers are going to sit by while a bunch of women go into the meat grinder?
    Do male paratroopers sit by and watch while ANYONE goes into the meat grinder?

    How will locals react in a counter-insurgency to having a company of women show up to defend them? Do you really think that they, be the very definition of their ENTIRE female entinty will not create attacks in a society that hasn't accepted YOUR eqilitarian views regarding women?
    Oh, so we should let barbaric, dark ages societies set our policies.
    Who will lead them? Female infantry officers?
    I doubt that most women would have difficulty following male officers.

    And how will our enemy react when he is attacked by women? When he singles the unit our for attack? When they deliberately capture and rape a few of them?
    Do you fail to understand that most women have internalized the concept of rape in a way that you NEVER will. And, if women choose to risk that circumstance, who are you to say that they are not entitled to do so?
    The idea is to win wars. The idea is not to use combat as some sort of proving ground for moral concepts best debated away from battle.
    Do we have an unlimited amount of male recruits? I'd prefer to use female volunteers OVER male draftees.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    True. But that's not what you did. You specifically labeled HIM in an insulting way, hence ad hominem.

    What you did is EXACTLY what you whined about Lerxst doing. At least try to be consistent in your whining.
    False, because Lerxst was factually incorrect and thus his posting was "e-libel". Further, an admonition to stay on topic, is inherently on topic, while a falsehood laden smear campaign is not.

    Propaganda. The very fact that I used the term is proof that my comment was directed at his argument and not his person. Q.E.D.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...le-troops.html

    That is the discussion that has given birth to this particular poll.

    I want to be clear with the question here. I am asking if you think females should be allowed to serve as infantrymen(persons?) in the military. That means, they are not a cook or aircraft mechanic who has some basic infantry skills gleaned from either boot camp, or extra infantry training like the Marines put all personnell though.

    What we are asking is if you think women should be allowed to be grunts.
    Not sure, I have no problem with them serving in combat as fighter and helicopter pilots and what not but I'm not sure if they're physically capable of going infantry not to mention what would happen to them if they were captured by today's enemy.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 05-27-09 at 09:01 PM.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Incorrect. I dispense lessons to them about latin terminology and what is and isn't ad hominem, and what is and isn't off topic. You know what is off topic in this thread about females specializing as infantry ? A pro-life public service announcement, among other things.
    so women killing on a masive scale has no bearing on whether or not they are capable of killing? noted
    thanks for clearing that up

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    She's the Terminator now get it straight. lol
    OMG how many pages ago was that? somethings are not worth reviving 10 pages later

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

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    Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?Abortion is off topic. So let's quit trying to go down that path.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    so women killing on a masive scale has no bearing on whether or not they are capable of killing? noted
    thanks for clearing that up
    Women being able to kill is self evident based on evidence that has nothing to do with abortion. Your use of abortion in this issue was pretty obviously an attempt to get a reaction, and not to add to the discussion.

    Edited to add: Oops, sorry Talloulou, you posted while I was.

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