View Poll Results: Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

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  • Yes, and they should be integrated with the males

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  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

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  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    33 18.86%
  • No, women should never serve in a role where they may encounter combat

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    No it doesn't you propaganda peddler.
    My goodness, is this an AD HOMINEM attack on another poster?

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    No it doesn't you propaganda peddler. Your pro-life commercial is completely off topic, as a fetus is no parallel whatsoever to an enemy soldier.
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    This is completely irrelevant and not even remotely related to the topic at hand. It's also quite classless.
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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by gree0232 View Post
    How does death defend life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

    Those concepts are a societal, not an individual choice.

    In any nation rises up and seriously intends to take those collective rights away from our society, there is nothing that YOU alone, as an individual, can do to stop them.

    What is needed is a collective entity that trained, equipped, and formed to fight as efficiently as possible to attack and destroy that enemy as quickly as possible.

    You individual desire can only be defended collectively. What is a question is how best to that, and allowing women in to defend a principal in peace may result in its loss in war.

    Currently, the defense of that liberty is all expiditionary, should that process come home and truly involve the survival of our society as a whole it would very much become necessary for women to make that choice you speak of.

    However, to send young men and women off to war aware that there are problems that may effect unit cohesion in the face of the enemy is tantamount to murder unless you you know of ways to mitigate them.

    I know of know way to keep 19 year old men full of infantry machismo from acting like horny young men nor do I know how to stop equally horny young women from sleeping them. That sort of behavior, and the competition it creates, can easily result in needless deaths in combat.

    As someone who has lead troops in battle, that is not a risk that I would take lightly.
    Are we still arguing about integrating women into all male combat units?

    There is a place for women in combat arms, you cannot intelligently deny this. Integrating them with males is a bad idea, I'll agree with that. But I think this discussion is fully inclusive of the capability of women to be warfighters.

    To this end, nobody has proven they are incapable. To suggest this is sheer folly as there is no precedent on the matter. Only opinion.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You're quite welcome.



    Well, technically, what I said was a "sexist opinion" but you and I both know that word carries implied connotations with it, and I don't believe said connotations should apply to myself. Labels have a way of distorting an argument.



    I'm not limiting my position to just combat. I'm talking about a prolonged combat tour with an infantry platoon. It's different. Having said that, I stand by my position. Sure, there may be one woman out there who can do it, but generally speaking, I believe they are incapable of such.
    Obviously I disagree with you, but I appreciate the clarification of your position.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    My goodness, is this an AD HOMINEM attack on another poster?
    Factual description, and on topic. Throw me another beachball down the middle.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    And to clarify, I should not have chosen the answer I did in the poll because it doesn't actually reflect my sentiment on the matter. As my first post stated, I think integration is a bad idea. An all female infantry unit is feasible.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Factual description, and on topic. Throw me another beachball down the middle.
    Oh, when you attack the person of another poster, it's allowed, but when someone comments on your MO, you whine like a shelter dog.

    Duly noted.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post

    Well, how about you explain it to me. I have seen quite a bit of death, and most of it is completely useless.

    We may want to think that death hold meaning, but the reality in war is often no more than looking the wrong way and getting shot as a result. A dead body accomplished nothing.

    In war, the principals that are defined are defined by the leaders of the victor not by the soldiers on the battlefield. Ergo, we must prepare our forces properly to accomplish that victory as quickly as possible.

    Death's only meaning in war is through victory or defeat. Tremendous acts of courage and cowardice show wars humanity even the face of horror, but the individual acts are only significant in the larger struggle to achieve victory.

    So please, explain to me how death alone defends those principals? Explain it when less than 1% of our society is currently fighting in the two wars our society committed us to? (Three is you count the clandestine War in Terror).

    There are many ways to defend liberty, but dying isn't a terribly effective method.

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    Arrow Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Oh, when you attack the person of another poster, it's allowed,
    Where did I do that ? I called a propaganda peddler a propaganda peddler for engaging in propaganda peddling. How is that an attack ? It is simply the bald fact of the matter I was calling him out on. Calling his comment "propaganda" is specifically targeting his argument, and not his person.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    but when someone comments on your MO, you whine
    Incorrect. I dispense lessons to them about latin terminology and what is and isn't ad hominem, and what is and isn't off topic. You know what is off topic in this thread about females specializing as infantry ? A pro-life public service announcement, among other things.
    Last edited by Voidwar; 05-27-09 at 08:19 PM.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by gree0232 View Post
    Well, how about you explain it to me. I have seen quite a bit of death, and most of it is completely useless..
    You've created a strawman here. Sometimes, it is necessary to stand up and fight. That means being WILLING to die, but it doesn't mean that ideally, people DO die.

    A lot of jobs that are worth doing involve the risk of death.

    IF I fall on a grenade to keep it from killing my children, was my death worthwhile? IF I fall on a grenade to keep it from injuring my co-workers, parents, friends, or my significant other, is that death worthwhile?

    Death means what we think it means, nothing more, and nothing less.

    I've seen a lot of senseless death in the past 19 years. Kids shooting kids for no apparent reason.

    But, I've also seen a lot of people RISK death to save other people, sometimes while being injured themselves. And that does, in fact, seem worthwhile to me.

    Why should women be judged less capable or worthy of self-sacrifice?

    Tell me, if a woman carries a pregnancy to term, but refuses chemotherapy because it might harm her infant, and then succumbs to cancer, isn't she still a hero? Does her death mean nothing?

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