View Poll Results: Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

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  • Yes, and they should be integrated with the males

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  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

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  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    33 18.86%
  • No, women should never serve in a role where they may encounter combat

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It isn't in a woman's nature to be a dirty, nasty killer.
    My, how sweet and idealistic you are.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And your inability to grasp how this argument has evolved is quite apparent. Either make a relevant case or don't. You're hammering of this point is fruitless as there is nothing you can win here. I've explained my position, you don't like it, and you obviously can't intelligently counter it.
    Simply wrong Jeff. By showing, several times, that you are trying to fallaciously apply anecdotal evidence to a discussion about groups, I have intelligently countered it.

    Your money, doesn't spend in this discussion. This has left you bereft of both position and credibility.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It isn't in a mans "nature" either.
    Sure it is. Men retain a biological predilection for violence. Thousands of years of hunting and warfare have made sure of this.

    Anyway, I feel you are being slightly obtuse. You know what I mean. I'm speaking to the emotional divergence between men and women. A platoon of Marine grunts has a distinct emotional makeup that in no way resembles the typical thought process of women. I know you know what I'm saying.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Sure it is. Men retain a biological predilection for violence. Thousands of years of hunting and warfare have made sure of this.

    Anyway, I feel you are being slightly obtuse. You know what I mean. I'm speaking to the emotional divergence between men and women. A platoon of Marine grunts has a distinct emotional makeup that in no way resembles the typical thought process of women. I know you know what I'm saying.
    I think you have an overly optimistic view of women based upon your acculturization. First off, you haven't been hunters by need for thousands of years. Secondly, I don't think you've ever heard a group of women sitting around trash talking their menfolk. Women are far filthier than men, hands down.

    The idea of women as delicate creatures that need to be protected is largely a Victorian upper class construct.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 05-27-09 at 05:11 PM.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by gree0232 View Post
    Well, lets talk about this. As men and women are different, can we in actuality enforce the same standards? Do you think there would be no political pressure to push women into the ranks once these 'standards' are put in place?
    I cannot predict the future. I do not know if such would happen or not. I do believe that an imagined deterrent should not hold us up from doing the right thing.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Where to begin ?

    Your logic does not hold.

    "If a women" I think you meant "a woman" there right ?

    If so, then you are again trying to present anecdotal individual evidence in a discussion of groups.
    Yes I meant "woman." Groups are made up of individuals, and therefore gross generalizations are inappropriate. I've already addressed this.

    Further, It does not follow that she can fight just as hard as "a man", because you have generalized again, and the group you have generalized, "a man", contains many individuals who exceed the physical requirements to a significant degree. All it proves, is that she met the requirement, the rest, is conjecture, and inaccurate at that.
    You have a good point, but you undermine the war of the sexes in this argument. Since there is no way to test a soldiers battlefield mettle without actually getting them into real combat, the task conditions and standards requirements are the only filters we have. If a woman meets those then she is qualified, just like any man, to serve in an infantry role. My comment of "she can fight as hard as a man" is obviously misplaced here, however my case still stands.

    So does this mean you would prefer to allow specialization but not subsequent assignment to an already predominantly male Specialized Infantry Unit ?? If so, the only practical application would need to be something along the lines of the "separate but equal" approah i touched on earlier.
    I've already stated my point on this. I have no problem with an all female combat unit.

    Do you think men "in general" can do it faster and farther ? Remember. . .
    No, I don't think "in general" anything with regard to this argument. The only to assess this would be to actually compare an all female unit against an all male unit of the same size and operational capacity. Everything else is pure speculation.
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    Arrow Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Your post demonstrates a clear failure to understand the concept of ad hominem.
    Apparently, this facet of your ignorance is one of the deeper ones.

    I certainly do understand ad hominem, it is latin for "at the man" or "to the man".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Your sexist, macho projections are too disingenuous to ignore. My weakness I suppose.
    Was an attempt to denigrate me, via falsehood, that had nothing to do with the topic of the thread. It was thus, ad hominem. Have we patched this hole in your knowledge of debating logic or will more study on your part be required ?
    Last edited by Voidwar; 05-27-09 at 05:17 PM.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    My, how sweet and idealistic you are.
    Reality isn't subject to our ideals. Woman do not possess the physical or emotional capacity to withstand the rigors of an extended combat operation. Hell, most men don't either.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    You know, we don't go around, trying to force our way into their knitting classes, and bridge parties? Why can't we just have our own thing?
    "Loyalty only matters when there's a hundred reasons not to be-" Gen. Mattis

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    I certainly do understand ad hominem, it is latin for "at the man" or "to the man".
    And yet, you accused me of using ad hominems directed at you, twice.

    Trust me, sweet britches. If I ad hominem you, you'll KNOW you've been ad hominemed.

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