View Poll Results: Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

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  • Yes, and they should be integrated with the males

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  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

    16 9.14%
  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    33 18.86%
  • No, women should never serve in a role where they may encounter combat

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Thread: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Sex, gender identity or sexual preference for that matter are irrelevant and inconsequential in regards to a person's ability to be an efficient killer and carry their own load.

    I choose the 1st option.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...le-troops.html

    That is the discussion that has given birth to this particular poll.

    I want to be clear with the question here. I am asking if you think females should be allowed to serve as infantrymen(persons?) in the military. That means, they are not a cook or aircraft mechanic who has some basic infantry skills gleaned from either boot camp, or extra infantry training like the Marines put all personnell though.

    What we are asking is if you think women should be allowed to be grunts.
    I think you are asking the wrong question. The question should be: Should the Army change how it matches ability and aptitude to each MOS?

    I say yes, it should. I served as an Artilleryman on the M109 Paladin. The lightest round for that howitzer wieghs 94 lbs. Quite often during my seven years of service I saw male soldiers come into my MOS who could not physically perform the job. This left the command with no choice but to take these soldiers out of their MOS and stick them as drivers and clerks. Meanwhile, just down the road is an MP unit full of females, some of which I'd be afraid to meet in a dark alley, who clearly possessed the physical strenght and stamina to perform in Artillery and yet because my MOS is designated combats arms this is not allowed. the true irony of the situation being that MP units have faced more direct combat and ieds than other type of unit in Iraq.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Females were not needed in combat roles during any previous war. Why do people think they are needed now?

    Females should not serve in ground combat forces in other than a support role in my opinion.

    This reminds me of that female fire fighter who could not pass the test and sued the department and got hired. I hope she never has to rescue anyone who weighs over 150 lbs.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Modern warfare virtually never involves hand to hand combat. The abilities needed by infantry has changed.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    I think a better question would be ''how many women would want to serve as an infantryman''? I'd say, not many. I know this from talking to several female Soldiers.

    An old grunt once said that if a woman could fight him off with her bare hands in any situation, then and only then would it be acceptable. If there are women out there that could do so, then it would be select few and I don't see a few women in combat MOS's being all that distracting.

    BTW, anyone ever notice that civilians and military personnel(BTDT'S) ALWAYS have a different take on these matters? I wonder why that is

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    I think women should be able to specialize as infantry. I did vote to keep the units segregated, as the last thing one needs on a battlefield is a distraction by attraction.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by gabrielh View Post
    I think women should be able to specialize as infantry. I did vote to keep the units segregated, as the last thing one needs on a battlefield is a distraction by attraction.
    That sounds like you're arguing to keep gays out of the military....."distraction by attraction", and all.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...le-troops.html

    That is the discussion that has given birth to this particular poll.

    I want to be clear with the question here. I am asking if you think females should be allowed to serve as infantrymen(persons?) in the military. That means, they are not a cook or aircraft mechanic who has some basic infantry skills gleaned from either boot camp, or extra infantry training like the Marines put all personnell though.

    What we are asking is if you think women should be allowed to be grunts.
    I say other. If they can carry M240B ,carry a 40 plus pound ruck sack, have all their gear, filled water canteens,ammo and a flak vest on for 12 mile road march under 4 hours, pass a pt test with same requirements as her male counterparts, have no special requirements be made,must tolerate cursing then sure females should be allowed to join the infantry.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say other. If they can carry M240B ,carry a 40 plus pound ruck sack, have all their gear, filled water canteens,ammo and a flak vest on for 12 mile road march under 4 hours, pass a pt test with same requirements as her male counterparts, have no special requirements be made,must tolerate cursing then sure females should be allowed to join the infantry.
    We'll have to re-design the firearm because it looks like a penis and that's offensive

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    BTW, anyone ever notice that civilians and military personnel(BTDT'S) ALWAYS have a different take on these matters? I wonder why that is
    Because most civilians do not know squat about a lot of professions.This isn't limited to the military, this also applies to other professions as another poster pointed out with the fireman.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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