View Poll Results: Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

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  • Yes, and they should be integrated with the males

    101 57.71%
  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

    16 9.14%
  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    33 18.86%
  • No, women should never serve in a role where they may encounter combat

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I put mine in me and my training. Police, are most often historians, come to document the carnage.
    True dat. That's why I say people should own either a gun, a dog, or both. Failing that, marry Tucker's wife.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Do you think there is a single woman on earth who ISN'T aware of the possibility of being raped, AS A CIVILIAN?
    So you support the right to carry concealed weapons to protect the innocent?

    The risk increases in the military.
    The battlefield simply is not the place for women.

    Men's roles are to protect them... and most civilized men do it instinctively.
    Then there is the sexual aspect... those tensions are not needed.

    For one moment let's say women should be... then they should have to meet the standards men have to achieve. No watering down the entry level.

    Watering them down will surely get people killed.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    1) The friggin' thread is about "infantry", got it? The infantry consists ultimately of those coarse hairy goons who are willing to bust someone's head with a rock if that's what it takes to survive the battle and win the war.
    You've never served in the infantry have you? There are individuals of all different sized, shapes, and characters in the infantry. Ultimately it's not about coarse hairy goons at all.

    2) Take a hundred average men of military age. Take a hundred women average men of military age. Throw them naked in the Rose Bowl and tell them that the side that incapacites the other side completely will earn five million dollars apiece, and say also that there's no rules. Wanna bet which team wins?
    Unfortunately we're not talking about unarmed combat in a stadium. The M16A3 is a great equalizer even in the most fragile of hands.

    Of course the men will win, so quit babbling about relative differences.
    I wouldn't rush to chastise someone about babbling given your priors here.

    Don't like that comparison? Take the same teams, give them 100 lb packs with field rations and rifles, and tell them to start marching, that anyone who sits down or even leans against a pole is disqualified, and see which team wins the money.
    I know some women who could do that. I know some men who could not. What's your point? Not every soldier can qualify to be a Ranger, airborne, of hang in the light infantry. But they could potentially serve in a mechanized infantry unit.

    Remember, we're talking infantry here, and those guys march all over the damn place at times. (Sometimes the trucks run out of gas.)
    I know women who could do this and men who could not. You're not helping your argument here.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I put mine in me and my training. Police, are most often historians, come to document the carnage.
    Pretty much spot on. You are your own first line of defense and nobody can protect you better than yourself. I suggest lots of range time and mat time.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I know women who could do this and men who could not. You're not helping your argument here.
    You are trying to change the context from generalities to anecdotes about specific individuals.

    You're not helping your argument here.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I'm under the impression that the job changes at the drop of a hat. It's not neatly as outlined as most other jobs. Going into ground battle is wildly unpredictable. So IMO talking about the "job" and the "job requirements" is a little absurd.
    Sorry for the delay replying to this. Rev Hellhound had me distracted in another thread, so we can blame him.

    Not all men in combat are physically able to do everything already. Somehow things do get done. I am actually proposing improving that, as with actual strength standards(remember, the PT standards currently used are not a measure of strength but overall physical fitness) that are uniform, this would weed out weakling men.

    I'm aware that when men and women are in peak condition the vast majority of men are stronger than the vast majority of women which is why men and women rarely compete head to head in the Olympics.
    Irrelevant. The vast majority are not in the military. The vast majority is not how we should base decisions. If women can achieve strength standards(this is an important caveat, without that I would agree with you), they should be allowed to serve in infantry/combat.

    In ground battle I would think optimally unless we're highly outnumbered we want the absolute strongest infantry we can find. Since men are naturally stronger than women and this is obvious when both sexes are in optimum condition the strongest infantry possible is an infantry of men.
    Close, but not quite true. In any combat situation, you want optimally the best infantry we can find. Men and women are different and bring different strengths to any job. When I was in the navy, guess who got called when work needed to be done in tight spaces as just one example.

    The pregnancy issue is two fold. The first part is the distractions, the sexual relationships, the mess it inevitable creates that there is no room for IMO. The second is the actual pregnancies and being "battle ready."
    And we are still talking about a tiny issue, based on the numbers you supplied. 1.8 %

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    You are trying to change the context from generalities to anecdotes about specific individuals.

    You're not helping your argument here.
    You apparently don't even know what my argument is there Sparky.

    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    So you support the right to carry concealed weapons to protect the innocent?
    hell to the yes.

    The risk increases in the military.
    Proof?

    The battlefield simply is not the place for women.
    NOTED.

    Men's roles are to protect them... and most civilized men do it instinctively.
    I've always preferred the uncivilized ones, myself.

    Then there is the sexual aspect... those tensions are not needed.
    Speak for yourself, man.

    For one moment let's say women should be... then they should have to meet the standards men have to achieve. No watering down the entry level.
    Works for me.

    Watering them down will surely get people killed.
    If you say so. You are the expert, after all.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You've never served in the infantry have you? There are individuals of all different sized, shapes, and characters in the infantry. Ultimately it's not about coarse hairy goons at all.
    Standard Cephalopod Stereotype there.

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    Question Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You apparently don't even know what my argument is there Sparky.

    You would like it if that were true, but it isn't.

    This thread is titled : "Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?"

    The thread you apparently thought you were posting in must be titled : "Should the toughest women Lerxst has personally encountered be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?"

    Should I start that thread and meet you there ?

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