View Poll Results: Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

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  • Yes, and they should be integrated with the males

    101 57.71%
  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

    16 9.14%
  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    33 18.86%
  • No, women should never serve in a role where they may encounter combat

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Thread: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This argument you've presented us with is known as a red herring. None of your examples involved combat.
    So? Are there any idiots here pretending that women are the physical equal of men? Anyone here stupid enough to pretend that woman can physically compete in a life threatening strenuous environment and on average hold their own? There's a reason women have tees closer to the pin and why tennis competitions are segregated. That reason, according to the idiots demanding women's equal access to combat roles, is clearly nothing but male chauvinism.



    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Furthermore, you are inappropriately generalizing from an insufficient number of examples.
    No I'm not. You're incorrectly assuming that I've exhausted the number of examples available to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Departments aren't required to hire a QUOTA of officers who are female.
    Yes they are.

    It's illegal to call them quotas, that would make the Affirmative Action hires feel bad, and we can't have any hurt feelings, not when there's lawyers around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's a common misunderstanding of EEO requirements.
    No. The common misunderstanding is that the EEO requirements aren't quotas. Since the lawsuits concerning this issue do nothing except count penises and vaginas, or pallids and tans, or whatever the greedy interfering lawyers feel they can make the most money from at the time. Just because a law says it isn't a quota doesn't mean it isn't a quota.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    While it is true that there are differing physical standards in the military between men and women, it is also true that there are differing physical standards in the military between men and men, and between different branches of the military service. The physical requirements are different between the Navy and the army, for instance. There are different standards for men and older men, as well as different standards for enlisted men, NCOs and officers.
    1) The friggin' thread is about "infantry", got it? The infantry consists ultimately of those coarse hairy goons who are willing to bust someone's head with a rock if that's what it takes to survive the battle and win the war.

    2) Take a hundred average men of military age. Take a hundred women average men of military age. Throw them naked in the Rose Bowl and tell them that the side that incapacites the other side completely will earn five million dollars apiece, and say also that there's no rules. Wanna bet which team wins?

    Of course the men will win, so quit babbling about relative differences.

    Don't like that comparison? Take the same teams, give them 100 lb packs with field rations and rifles, and tell them to start marching, that anyone who sits down or even leans against a pole is disqualified, and see which team wins the money.

    Remember, we're talking infantry here, and those guys march all over the damn place at times. (Sometimes the trucks run out of gas.)

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So, maybe I missed it. What does women not serving in subs with you, that you brought up, have to do with women serving beside men in the service? Are you somehow trying to deny that women have served with men in some capacities since at least Korea? or are you making some claim that just is not clear?
    The point I made was perfectly clear.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So? Are there any idiots here pretending that women are the physical equal of men? Anyone here stupid enough to pretend that woman can physically compete in a life threatening strenuous environment and on average hold their own?
    Read up the thread. I've seen several guys make this claim on this thread.

    No I'm not. You're incorrectly assuming that I've exhausted the number of examples available to me.
    It doesn't matter. Your personal experiences are still anectdotal in nature.

    It's illegal to call them quotas, that would make the Affirmative Action hires feel bad, and we can't have any hurt feelings, not when there's lawyers around.
    Oh, really? What percentage of female officers are departments required to hire? Please, feel free to illustrate this claim with charts, graphs, and hard numbers.

    1) The friggin' thread is about "infantry", got it? The infantry consists ultimately of those coarse hairy goons who are willing to bust someone's head with a rock if that's what it takes to survive the battle and win the war.
    Yes, you've definitely driven home the part about coarse hairy goons.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    No. Never.

    If they do want to, then they better be accepting of the real possibility of being raped by their captors should they fall into enemy hands.

    Our enemies do not play by the rules.
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    Do you think there is a single woman on earth who ISN'T aware of the possibility of being raped, AS A CIVILIAN?

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Let me just note that the kind of women who might try for infantry positions, including having to complete tough physical training, would be very different career-wise, from the kind who want to drive trucks for a living.

    Just my perception.
    Oh, gimme a break.

    What was described was basic human nature in action. That's not going to change because the females arrive in the back of the truck and has her own rifle.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    YOu realize that this same argument was made 50 years ago about racially integrated units.
    You do realize that, unlike skin color, there's significant physical differences between male and female, right? And that biology acts when the two sexes are mixed to modify the behaviors of the individuals, right?

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, gimme a break.

    What was described was basic human nature in action. That's not going to change because the females arrive in the back of the truck and has her own rifle.
    Dude, different specialities require different personality styles. Just purely the physical demands on a woman who would go into combat are going to weed out a lot of the military deadwood.

    Just like not every guy is going to be able to cope with being packed into a metal tube with 100+ other guys at the bottom of the ocean for months at a time.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You do realize that, unlike skin color, there's significant physical differences between male and female, right? And that biology acts when the two sexes are mixed to modify the behaviors of the individuals, right?
    Yeah, apparently, the presence of breasts turns men into slobbering idiots.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Read up the thread. I've seen several guys make this claim on this thread.
    I have not seen one guy or even yet one woman assert that women in general are equal to men in size, stature, and upper body strength.

    So let's get a clear response on that. Are you claiming they are or not? Or are you claiming for certain jobs the differences may not matter and may be actually beneficial? (I can agree with this for certain jobs. However infantry isn't one of them.)

    Let's get down in the grit. You claimed I'm asserting women are delicate flowers - which I've never even come close to alluding to. I've just repeatedly pointed out that they're not as strong and they get pregnant.

    So, point blank are women - in your mind- equal to men in strength, size, and stature?

    If you admit the obvious; that they are not then how do you justify forcing men to serve in battle alongside women who are not as strong as their male peers??????

    Oh and please answer without anecdotes about your job helping urban youth.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Blasphemy! IDF females out on patrol.



    Not only that, these gals have Jump Wings
    Are you sure they're strong enough to handle the demands of the job, Tashah?

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