View Poll Results: Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

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  • Yes, and they should be integrated with the males

    101 57.71%
  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

    16 9.14%
  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    33 18.86%
  • No, women should never serve in a role where they may encounter combat

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    hey, I am not dimminishing your work. I am simply trying to figure it out. What qualificatios does one need to do what you do.
    That's a good question. Usually, they have a background in working with high risk populations. I'm not a social worker, and in general, view the term as an insult. That's not anything to do with you, just one of my biases.

    Yes, because if the standards are not equal, the person who has the lower standards is a liability who may just get you killed.
    They aren't currently equal between males and males. For instance, if you're over 30, your qualification standards are reduced. Let's fix that, first. But, that might mean that the only people qualified to serve in combat are 24 year old males. Do you see any disadvantages to that? Aside from the fact that they tend to act first and think later?

    yes, because leaving your partner in the middle of crossfire, is the most sound solution.
    There are multiple variables to all situations.

    Nah, you are much more exclusive. You went into a gun fight unarmed.
    Yes, I failed to bring a knife to a gun fight.

    Lets triple that number and average it out. That would be 135,000 (roughly the same number serving in Iraq). average the deaths by 3, thats 15. 15 deaths compared to 314 in iraq that year.
    But many of those killed weren't even in combat.

    Not even in the same ballpark.
    True, but there are similarities.

    nope, but I assist in instructing CQB courses and shoot houses to maintain a skill set with a very notable individual in the business
    In the cop business? We should compare notes. We probably know some of the same people.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's a good question. Usually, they have a background in working with high risk populations. I'm not a social worker, and in general, view the term as an insult. That's not anything to do with you, just one of my biases.

    No worries, it was not meant to be an insult.


    They aren't currently equal between males and males. Let's fix that, first.

    Standards should be even period.





    There are multiple variables to all situations.

    Of course thier are. but trading volleys of fire while your partner is down between you and the beligerant, is not something that usually makes much sense.



    Yes, I failed to bring a knife to a gun fight.
    Point is, you are braver than me.


    I'd wan't my blaster and carbine for the ride.




    But many of those killed weren't even in combat.
    I did all the heavy lifting, your turn to parse them out if you want.


    True, but there are similarities.

    Like?



    In the cop business? We should compare notes. We probably know some of the same people.

    Cops, military, PMC's, civillians, whoever pays the money and has the credentials gets to play.


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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    No I understand that. You missed my point which is that thier guard was not as high given that you were not as "physically intimidating"...That's called an opening.
    Possibly. I'm also a mom, so I was able to bring a different skills set to the table than the average young guy. I was used to managing the behavior of oppositional children (*I had a toddler at the time).

    I've noticed that, my bf is a 14-year Naval officer, his skill set is far greater than the average Ensign's. He might be older and slightly slower, but he's also got a wealth of experience to draw upon when problem-solving.

    You see that with the average GYSGT, too.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Standards should be even period.
    I agree. On the other hand, having differential standards based upon age recognizes the fact that older individuals may bring different tools to the job versus the average young buck.

    Of course thier are. but trading volleys of fire while your partner is down between you and the beligerant, is not something that usually makes much sense.
    Not my strong suit, as I don't ever return fire.

    Point is, you are braver than me.
    Braver, or more stupid? It's arguable.

    Like?
    Swat work and urban combat areas. I wouldn't consider all of NYC to be an urban combat zone, fwiw. I'd say that's primarily sections of the Bronx. All of Camden, NJ, for instance. South Central and East LA. Houston's SW quadrant. Oppalocka, FL, and a few other sections of Dade county.

    And, I'm thinking primarily about tactical units like SWAT that are just beginning to accept their first female officers in the past five years, and women seem capable of hanging with the big dogs. But they are few in numbers and highly motivated. Most women aren't going to want to do that work (hell, most men don't, either).

    Cops, military, PMC's, civillians, whoever pays the money and has the credentials gets to play.
    I keep the details close to the vest on these here forums. But perhaps you are right, ever train in Michigan?
    Not yet, but am supposed to do some work in Detroit this year, parts of Puerto Rico, Camden, NJ, Oakland, CA. Have done work previously in Miami, Houston, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh, but only in small, gang-intensive areas.

    I tend to spend my time in the non-touristy parts of the U.S. My preference.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post


    Swat work and urban combat areas. I wouldn't consider all of NYC to be an urban combat zone, fwiw. I'd say that's primarily sections of the Bronx. All of Camden, NJ, for instance. South Central and East LA. Houston's SW quadrant. Oppalocka, FL, and a few other sections of Dade county.
    When I lived in Ft Green Brooklyn it was pretty nasty. The sound of police helicopters and automatic gunfire become my lullaby music. One night someone blew up a car right in front of my brownstone.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    When I lived in Ft Green Brooklyn it was pretty nasty. The sound of police helicopters and automatic gunfire become my lullaby music. One night someone blew up a car right in front of my brownstone.



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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    My bad.... I was trying to hide a cigarette from the GF at the time.
    I dunno, given the size of the explosion, it seems like she caught you trying to hide something else.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    MOS (job) assignment in the military should be decided on the basis of physical and mental ability, not sexual equipment. As a former artillerymen, I quickly grew tired of picking up the slack for guys who were not physically capable of performing the job. And during my time in, I had the pleasure of knowing quite a few female MPs who could most definitely handle any job thrown at them.

    Having said that, the biggest obstacle to women serving equally with men, is other women. For every one woman who performs and behaves as a soldier should, there are five who are ****ing around, getting pregnant in order to miss deployments, and making false sexual harassment claims because their male supervisor came down on them when they ****ed up.

    The largest concern with women serving in combat units is the privacy issue. In many cases, especially while engaged against an enemy force, privacy is just not an option. Both the men and the women in the military need to taught how to behave professionally even while naked in front of the opposite sex. This however, will never happen in America, where the sight of a naked breast sends whole swaths of the population into religious outrage.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    If women choose to serve in the military they should be allowed in any capacity that they are capable. That is the way it should always be.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by rsay33 View Post
    Having said that, the biggest obstacle to women serving equally with men, is other women. For every one woman who performs and behaves as a soldier should, there are five who are ****ing around, getting pregnant in order to miss deployments, and making false sexual harassment claims because their male supervisor came down on them when they ****ed up.
    True dat. One of the more annoying aspects of life to me these days is young feminists, most of whom have no idea how to EARN equality with men. You do it by sucking it up and doing what needs to be done. If you want equality, there is a price to pay. It doesn't just get handed to you on a silver platter. You do it by learning to fit into the prevailing culture instead of expecting it to accomodate you. You definitely don't want to stand out as the one who doesn't have the cojones to hang.

    And, if you have a problem, you sack up and deal with it, face to face, instead of being some passive aggressive little pansy. A lot of women have no idea how to deal with conflict, for one thing. If you want to work in a male dominated field, you have to learn to work with men, on their terms. And you damn well better grow a thick skin and work on your sense of humor.

    YOu also have to be scrupulously careful about doing things that will cause you to lose people's respect, because fair or not, women who are ground breakers end up being watched closely. It's a fact of life, and best not whine or cry about it, or you aren't suited for it.

    I will say that the biggest handicap to women these days is women. I think equality is truly possible, but we have to earn it.

    Sorry. /rant mode.

    The largest concern with women serving in combat units is the privacy issue. In many cases, especially while engaged against an enemy force, privacy is just not an option. Both the men and the women in the military need to taught how to behave professionally even while naked in front of the opposite sex. This however, will never happen in America, where the sight of a naked breast sends whole swaths of the population into religious outrage.
    God, I love our puritan roots. They're so healthy.
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