View Poll Results: Should women be allowed to specialize as infantry

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  • Yes, and they should be integrated with the males

    101 57.71%
  • Yes, but keep their units seperate from male units

    16 9.14%
  • No, but women should be given some basic infantry skills beyond basic training

    33 18.86%
  • No, women should never serve in a role where they may encounter combat

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I am confused. YOu sound like you were saying "my dept" and that you were a cop. My bad. Perhaps you can clarify? if not, no biggie. I am just trying to see where you base your information on.
    Maybe you should try reading the thread so I don't have to retype.

    I think there should be one set of qualification standards, and that they need to requal yearly. Cops who are out of shape or who can not say for example like they do in many FD's lift a "185 lb" dummy, and drag it to "safety" should not be accepted or be suspended if already on the force. male/female is irrellevant here.
    Well, that's an opinion.

    If you can't qual at that level, you have no business being in the law enforcement game, or firefighting for sure. I have no problem with women cops who can meet these standards. I have a huge problem with dumbing down standards to get unqualified personel into the carreer.
    It has not been my experience that allowing women as cops has "dumbed down" the field. In my experience, female officers bring different strengths to the job than males do, and they tend to balance each other out.

    Sure I have, Let me address it again. In combat you have multiple beligerants who's motivation is to kill you. Even in Camden NJ, the "beligeants" do not want to shoot you, there is rarely more than one, and it happens infrequently with his motivation is to get away from johnny law.
    Have you actually been in combat? Or, shot at?

    Also to add, Officers go home at the end of thier shift to thier families who live in homes which are not subject to attack, etc. .,
    I am with you on the going home to families, but women already seem to do okay on extended TDY. At least as well as men do. So, that seems moot to me. We're talking about performance of job duties.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    So along this whole line of "let's integrate females into male only units", how do the supporters of this feel about integrating males and females in the barracks, whether it be a squad bay situation like in boot camp, or a situation where they would share a barracks room with someone of the opposite sex?
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    YOu realize that this same argument was made 50 years ago about racially integrated units.
    Not entirely. Unless a bunch of the infantry soldiers were in fact gay and liked dark meat.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Maybe you should try reading the thread so I don't have to retype.

    how about a post number, I just reviewed all your posts and am no less confused as to where you are coming from.


    Well, that's an opinion.

    You are in a car crash, and a police officer happens upon you as the car bursts into flames, Would you prefer someone who can't lift 150lbs out of a car or would you prefer one who met the standards that are applied to males.

    (I got this weight number from the USAF firemans requirements and is used to demonstrate an example.)




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    It has not been my experience that allowing women as cops has "dumbed down" the field. In my experience, female officers bring different strengths to the job than males do, and they tend to balance each other out.

    Not what I said. Women cops who meet the same physical standards as men I have no problem with,

    Male female, who can't pass the same standards test, or in my case, when I applied to the NYPD and scored 98% back when dinkins was mayor, was told that because I was a white male, I was not qualified, women, minorities only had to score 68%. That was the day I decided the last place i wanted to be was on the NYPD... So excuse my "dumbing down" comment to personal experience.




    Have you actually been in combat? Or, shot at?

    Yes. have you?





    I am with you on the going home to families, but women already seem to do okay on extended TDY. At least as well as men do. So, that seems moot to me. We're talking about performance of job duties.

    Extended TDY is not the same as being in combat. Going to the panhandle of FL, to do some training, is not the same as marching to bagdhad....
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Not entirely. Unless a bunch of the infantry soldiers were in fact gay and liked dark meat.


    I left this alone cause she addressed you, but was thinking the exact same thing brother.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    So along this whole line of "let's integrate females into male only units", how do the supporters of this feel about integrating males and females in the barracks, whether it be a squad bay situation like in boot camp, or a situation where they would share a barracks room with someone of the opposite sex?
    I don't know about that. Personally, I wouldn't have much of a problem with it, thought I wouldn't particularly care to share a bathroom. However, integrated training units in the military already out-perform male only units. Says the GAO.

    Interesting historical sidenote:

    The first American woman soldier was Deborah Sampson of Massachusetts. She enlisted as a Continental Army soldier under the name of "Robert Shurtliff". She served for three years in the Revolutionary War and was wounded twice; she cut a musket ball out of her own thigh so no doctor would find out she was a woman. Finally, at the end of the hostilities her secret was discovered—even so, George Washington gave her an honorable discharge. She later lectured on her experiences and became a champion of women's rights.
    Women in the military - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Well you know that is the crux of the matter really, at least as far as I'm concerned. The one thing that cannot be turned off or compensated for in integrated units is the sex drive. Nothing like putting a half dozen, well toned, in shape females in a platoon of alpha males and then turning them loose in a high stress situation that could last for months on end.

    I saw enough drama in my MP unit (it was male/female).
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Well you know that is the crux of the matter really, at least as far as I'm concerned. The one thing that cannot be turned off or compensated for in integrated units is the sex drive. Nothing like putting a half dozen, well toned, in shape females in a platoon of alpha males and then turning them loose in a high stress situation that could last for months on end.

    I saw enough drama in my MP unit (it was male/female).



    Men are dogs, we would want to "hit that" Some of us would have less self control than others.



    +1 on your post.
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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    how about a post number, I just reviewed all your posts and am no less confused as to where you are coming from.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058044466

    You are in a car crash, and a police officer happens upon you as the car bursts into flames, Would you prefer someone who can't lift 150lbs out of a car or would you prefer one who met the standards that are applied to males.
    I would prefer that both males AND females met physical ability requirements. I have no problem with equal standards, though I think you are overestimating the number of times in a career that someone might be called upon to do this....male or female.

    Male female, who can't pass the same standards test, or in my case, when I applied to the NYPD and scored 98% back when dinkins was mayor, was told that because I was a white male, I was not qualified, women, minorities only had to score 68%. That was the day I decided the last place i wanted to be was on the NYPD... So excuse my "dumbing down" comment to personal experience.
    NOt a huge fan of Dinkins, and I think you'll find this is less of an issue these days.

    Yes. have you?
    I've been fired on more than once, yes.

    Extended TDY is not the same as being in combat. Going to the panhandle of FL, to do some training, is not the same as marching to bagdhad....
    And marching to baghdad and staying in the green zone isn't precisely the same as serving high hazard warrants all day in South Central LA. The differences are less profound than you'd imagine.

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    Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Well you know that is the crux of the matter really, at least as far as I'm concerned. The one thing that cannot be turned off or compensated for in integrated units is the sex drive. Nothing like putting a half dozen, well toned, in shape females in a platoon of alpha males and then turning them loose in a high stress situation that could last for months on end.

    I saw enough drama in my MP unit (it was male/female).
    In my experience, the types of women that would be drawn to combat roles are different from the average MP. Just like the standard police officer doesn't want to serve on a SWAT unit in their PD. It takes a special type of person, male or female, to want to work in these roles, and the women who want to do it aren't usually the standard piece of ass that gets chased around the base.

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