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    Re: The Fair Tax

    I think people who are in power are against the fair tax are against it because they feel it gives the citizens to much power its obvious how much tax people are paying therefor they control the spending rather than the government.Its a simple idea and government hates simple ideas.
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    Re: The Fair Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you say what exactly is wrong about his post? Instead of just 'saying' that it is?
    I tried doing that but found that he spoke in such a way that I'd first have to know exactly what led him to those conclusions before I could go over individual points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I tried doing that but found that he spoke in such a way that I'd first have to know exactly what led him to those conclusions before I could go over individual points.
    You claimed he was wrong. You have to explain WHY he's wrong now. That is how debate works. What led him to those conclusions is irrelevant.
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    Re: The Fair Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What is your idea of 'nonpartisan'?

    Americans For Fair Taxation: Co-Sponsor Gallery

    I see....1 Democrat and...54 Republicans. This is clearly as partisan as it gets. Unless you have a different idea of non-partisan.
    I cant believe Im defending Aqua on this but non-partisan in political organizational terms means that they do not actively endorse candidates. All they report is their stance on taxes and its members make a choice based on their info. Downsize DC operates on the same basis.

    As for the original topic Fair Tax sounds alot better than what we have now but who says that the clowns in DC wont try to raise it every year with some BS reason.
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    Re: The Fair Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    I cant believe Im defending Aqua on this but non-partisan in political organizational terms means that they do not actively endorse candidates. All they report is their stance on taxes and its members make a choice based on their info. Downsize DC operates on the same basis.
    Again. Show me how this is non-partisan legislation. The only people I see supporting this in congress are 55 Republicans 1 Democrat. That leads me to believe that the people behind this are OVERWHELMINGLY Republican and Conservative in nature. Not 'non-partisans' as you misleadingly claim. Or are you going to pretend that Republicans aren't overwhelmingly supportive of a "Fair Tax" while Democrats oppose it? This is a one party issue. Republicans clearly support it. Democrats don't. Don't go calling it non-partisan and misleading us into believing it's not an idea that is supported by one ideology and opposed by another.
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    Re: The Fair Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Again. Show me how this is non-partisan legislation. The only people I see supporting this in congress are 55 Republicans 1 Democrat. That leads me to believe that the people behind this are OVERWHELMINGLY Republican and Conservative in nature. Not 'non-partisans' as you misleadingly claim. Or are you going to pretend that Republicans aren't overwhelmingly supportive of a "Fair Tax" while Democrats oppose it? This is a one party issue. Republicans clearly support it. Democrats don't. Don't go calling it non-partisan and misleading us into believing it's not an idea that is supported by one ideology and opposed by another.
    I think the point is it is not one party's ideology, it originates outside the party and has support far beyond that party and does not actively campaign for one party.
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    Re: The Fair Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I think the point is it is not one party's ideology, it originates outside the party and has support far beyond that party and does not actively campaign for one party.
    The claim : The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 296) is nonpartisan legislation.

    The evidence :

    Americans For Fair Taxation: Co-Sponsor Gallery

    Supported overwhelmingly/brought by/drafted by Republicans.

    In Congress :

    Americans For Fair Taxation:

    Opposed by both Republicans & Democrats.

    The only thing 'non-partisan' about this is the universal opposition to it. The legislation itself is clearly right winged. Please stop playing semantics and call a duck a duck?
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    Re: The Fair Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The claim : The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 296) is nonpartisan legislation.

    The evidence :

    Americans For Fair Taxation: Co-Sponsor Gallery

    Supported overwhelmingly/brought by/drafted by Republicans.

    In Congress :

    Americans For Fair Taxation:

    Opposed by both Republicans & Democrats.

    The only thing 'non-partisan' about this is the universal opposition to it. The legislation itself is clearly right winged. Please stop playing semantics and call a duck a duck?
    So the bill has support of more Republicans than Dems by far. That does not necessarily make the whole movement partisan as it is something far more than a Republican tactic and organ.

    What is the point of talking about partisan in any other way? So it attracts more rightwingers? That's a pretty big group. It can't please everyone so talking about partisanism for that reason is a little silly.

    What do you expect it to please communists(and I'm not even talking about the dems.) or anarcho-primitivists?
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    Re: The Fair Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    So the bill has support of more Republicans than Dems by far.
    And drafted and brought up in Congress etc. But hey. Glad you're finally on the same page as the rest of us.

    That does not necessarily make the whole movement partisan as it is something far more than a Republican tactic and organ.
    The fact that an idea is supported by an overwhelmingly Republican majority is not a sign that it is partisan in nature? Really? If it was non-partisan which in this case is bull**** or bipartisan(supported by both sides) why don't we see left wing or Democrat support for it? PLEASE I beg you to stop playing semantics?

    What is the point of talking about partisan in any other way? So it attracts more rightwingers? That's a pretty big group. It can't please everyone so talking about partisanism for that reason is a little silly.

    What do you expect it to please communists(and I'm not even talking about the dems.) or anarcho-primitivists?
    So it is partisan. You just don't want to call it partisan. Sorry. From the start I think the idea of a 'fair tax' is bull****. It is the typical right wing labeling of ideas they have and consider 'righteous'. Think 'Homeland Security', 'Patriot Act' and 'Coalition of the Willing'. The difference is that while those ideas were supported by a large percentage of people in an almost non-partisan way. The only thing 'non-partisan' about this is it's rejection by both sides of congress.
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    Re: The Fair Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And drafted and brought up in Congress etc. But hey. Glad you're finally on the same page as the rest of us.
    Any point to these hostile comments?

    You do know the fair tax movement has existed for quite some time before this bill was brought up.

    The fact that an idea is supported by an overwhelmingly Republican majority is not a sign that it is partisan in nature? Really? If it was non-partisan which in this case is bull**** or bipartisan(supported by both sides) why don't we see left wing or Democrat support for it? PLEASE I beg you to stop playing semantics?

    So it is partisan. You just don't want to call it partisan. Sorry. From the start I think the idea of a 'fair tax' is bull****. It is the typical right wing labeling of ideas they have and consider 'righteous'. Think 'Homeland Security', 'Patriot Act' and 'Coalition of the Willing'. The difference is that while those ideas were supported by a large percentage of people in an almost non-partisan way. The only thing 'non-partisan' about this is it's rejection by both sides of congress.
    So what is your point? The fact it draws more support from one side of the spectrum makes it "partisan" or in fact from one ideology. That is a basically a use of the term partisan to make that meaningless.

    You've basically consigned almost all issues and ideas to the partisan bin, well done.

    I look forward to you trying to advocate for basically anything that is non-partisan in the future by your strange definition.
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