View Poll Results: Which of the following reforms do our prisons need?

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  • Non-violent crimes should not typically result in a prison sentence

    19 51.35%
  • The government should take more action to ensure prisoners don't hurt or rape each other

    26 70.27%
  • The government should take more action to curtail gang activity and racialist activity in prisons

    26 70.27%
  • Drugs should be legalized and all nonviolent drug offenders should be freed from prison

    20 54.05%
  • None; prisoners are sub-human scum who don't deserve even the most basic rights

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Thread: Prison reform

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    Re: Prison reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Floggings? For drunk and disorderly? DUI is deadly and deserves harsh sentences, but there's nothing wrong with simple fines (definitely more cost-efficient than the stocks).
    How is a fine more cost efficient than the stocks? A set of stocks requires little in the way of maintenance, no administrative overhead, no bureaucracy....they are simplicity itself.

    You spank children when they start acting ugly.....who's to say the practice should be stopped merely because they attain legal majority?

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    Re: Prison reform

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Serious question - what's up with the word "racialist"? I'd never heard it until a few months ago, and now it's popping up everywhere. Is it the hot new term for racist, or is there a slightly different connotation?
    It's slightly different. Racialist generally applies to separatist groups like the Aryan Nation, the Ku Klux Klan, the Nation of Islam, the New Black Panthers, and various race-based gangs. Someone can be a racist without being a racialist, but they can't be a racialist without being a racist.
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    Re: Prison reform

    Here in California prisons are out of control. It is a business ran for profit and the prisoners are their capital. The prison guard union is the most powerful union in the state and any candidate, or proposition that challenges or undermines their power is crushed by them. For example, the prison guard union put more than 2 million in smokescreen advertising against proposition 5, a proposition that would expand the already proven successful prop. 36. Both measures handled non-violent drug offenders and how they are sentenced. Looks like the union was afraid they might lose some overtime hours.

    Here is an example of their overreaching power in the state. One of my father's friends got in trouble with his insurance for a business he owned. His defense was that he left someone else in charge of it and they ripped off the agency. Regardless if this is true or not, he is still responsible, this is not what my family and I had an issue with. The Feds got involved but dropped all charges since the money he "ripped" off was less then it would cost to prosecute him, I think he said that Feds do not prosecute people for his crime unless it is more than $10,000, he was guilty of $3,000 worth. It did not stop the state of California from not picking up the charges and continuing the prosecution and giving him 4 years in prison. I think it would have been a more worthwhile "punishment"; to fine him twice what he "took" and give him a hundred hours of community service. But no, the prison industrial complex sucked him into the system along with any contributions he could give to society for his crime. Now only the prison shareholders get to see any benefit. He worked in prison everyday and got out after 2 years. He lost his wife, lost his kid and now works in some factory, when he used to own his own business. Now he was at a white-collar prison and he said his story is the rule and not the exception among the inmates that are there for bounced checks, bad tax returns etc.

    The system is even worse for drug offenders as it is a revolving door for them and a constant revenue stream for the prison industrial complex but both nonviolent drug offenders and petty white collar offenders can be dealt with in both more affordable and more effective means.
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    Re: Prison reform

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Because the vast majority of prisoners aren't serving life sentences, and it is in society's best interest to not have 500,000 people going insane from lack of interaction before being released back into the public.
    I was specific to violent criminals. Prisoners with a history of violence or gang affiliations should never be allowed to commingle openly with one another. Your misplaced compassion for their mental health puts others in grave danger. The "yard" is rife with gang fights, attempted assassinations, violent assaults, drug dealing, and is usually the flash point for most prison riots. The idea that dozens of people with a predilection for violence should be allowed to openly and freely associate with one another is ludicrous in the extreme. There are other ways for prisoners to interact and socialize.

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    Re: Prison reform

    Prison reform
    Several things must happen...intelligent people must become involved.
    Today's prison population, IMO, is hopeless...this rehabilitation simply does not work.. This must be accepted..
    But rehabilitation may work in the reform schools and it will work in our schools...we need a lot more parental involvement....
    My idea is states rights.
    Keep the feds out of this...
    After a time, have the states compare notes..
    Some things work, some do not.
    For 50,000 years lawbreakers have been treated like scum, this continues(but softened) today...
    This does not work, IMO..
    Prevention can work, its starts even before the cold is born and continues every day of his life...
    Children's services should receive much more, the prisons, much less..
    Reduce the prison population by legalizing and taxing drugs that should never have been illegal....still less money for the prisons..
    Maybe now the taxes can be reduced... the conservatives will like this....but, they will not be, for universal health care costs money..
    Farrah Fawcett is apparently wealthy enough for her cancer care; but Walter White was not....

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    Re: Prison reform

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    How is a fine more cost efficient than the stocks? A set of stocks requires little in the way of maintenance, no administrative overhead, no bureaucracy....they are simplicity itself.

    You spank children when they start acting ugly.....who's to say the practice should be stopped merely because they attain legal majority?
    No question in my mind that part of the problem is caused by "parents" who cannot or will not spank...
    As I say, we do need more intelligent people...

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    Re: Prison reform

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why should anyone have any sympathy for these people?
    Because a person convicted of the non-violent crime of grand theft auto or shoplifting shouldn't have to face five years of corporal punishment and rape.

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    Re: Prison reform

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Farrah Fawcett is apparently wealthy enough for her cancer care; but Walter White was not....
    But Heisenberg is a fictional character on TV...

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    Re: Prison reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Because a person convicted of the non-violent crime of grand theft auto or shoplifting shouldn't have to face five years of corporal punishment and rape.
    While I agree with the corporal punishment and rape aspect being wrong(and not as much of a problem as people think I don't believe), outside of that, I have no sympathy for the criminal. If you commit a crime, you should be subject to the punishment the law calls for. When you make the decision to commit an act illegal in the US, you are responsible for any punishment you receive. Saying "oh, but it's not a violent crime", or "no one was hurt" gets no sympathy from me. You chose to accept the risk in exchange for the reward.

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    Re: Prison reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    But Heisenberg is a fictional character on TV...
    Hey that's a good show!

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