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Thread: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Just pointing out that USA have a much higher murder rate then most other western countries, that at the same time you have more guns and less gun restriction then other western countries.
    However as we saw in a recent thread Britain's violent gun crime and violent crime in general has gone up with restrictions so the cause of the American murder rate may have nothing to do with the availability and place of guns in the culture.
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I don't think it is such an attitude which is what people are disagreeing with. It is the belittling of the dangers for the express purpose of trying to further the restriction of firearms that is what is being mostly objected to.
    I personally don't care if someone wants to own a gun to protect themselves. But count me out.
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I personally don't care if someone wants to own a gun to protect themselves. But count me out.
    I don't agree with that attitude, only when it leads to calls for restrictions do I really care.
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I personally don't care if someone wants to own a gun to protect themselves. But count me out.
    I support your right to not own a gun. If you don't like them, don't want one, wouldn't spend the necessary time and money to practice for skill and acquire the tactical knowlege that should go with it, or you're not sure you could use it...then you're probably better off without one anyway.

    As long as you give me the same courtesy, to possess and carry guns for self defense if that is my choice, I have no problem with your personal choice to go unarmed.

    You know what? If we happened to be in the same place when the SHTF and some maniac started killing people, I'd even act to protect you, if possible. That's just good citizenship and humanitarianism.

    I think a lot of anti's don't understand that most gun-packing citizens are decent human beings who care, and who wish no one any harm but would risk their lives to protect their fellow citizens if the situation arose.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I support your right to not own a gun. If you don't like them, don't want one, wouldn't spend the necessary time and money to practice for skill and acquire the tactical knowlege that should go with it, or you're not sure you could use it...then you're probably better off without one anyway.

    As long as you give me the same courtesy, to possess and carry guns for self defense if that is my choice, I have no problem with your personal choice to go unarmed.

    You know what? If we happened to be in the same place when the SHTF and some maniac started killing people, I'd even act to protect you, if possible. That's just good citizenship and humanitarianism.

    I think a lot of anti's don't understand that most gun-packing citizens are decent human beings who care, and who wish no one any harm but would risk their lives to protect their fellow citizens if the situation arose.

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    good points. I wish those who want to disarm the rest of us (as opposed to those who don't want to own guns or realize they do not have what it takes to make their own safety an individual responsibility) would broadcast to the world that they not only are unarmed but that their homes are totally gun free.


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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I responded those who want more control because as a scientist I cannot avocate more control when there is no data to say such policies would make a difference.
    What variety of "control" are you referring to? I'd agree with the undesirability of a ban, but other policies to reduce firearm prevalence may be able to reduce violent crime to some extent.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    What variety of "control" are you referring to? I'd agree with the undesirability of a ban, but other policies to reduce firearm prevalence may be able to reduce violent crime to some extent.
    Polices, such as...?

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I support your right to not own a gun. If you don't like them, don't want one, wouldn't spend the necessary time and money to practice for skill and acquire the tactical knowlege that should go with it, or you're not sure you could use it...then you're probably better off without one anyway.

    As long as you give me the same courtesy, to possess and carry guns for self defense if that is my choice, I have no problem with your personal choice to go unarmed.

    You know what? If we happened to be in the same place when the SHTF and some maniac started killing people, I'd even act to protect you, if possible. That's just good citizenship and humanitarianism.

    I think a lot of anti's don't understand that most gun-packing citizens are decent human beings who care, and who wish no one any harm but would risk their lives to protect their fellow citizens if the situation arose.

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    My girlfriend who is very anti-gun is just starting to grasp this concept.

    She was the classical "if you have a gun, you're only a moment away from going psycho and murdering everyone" anti at first.
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    My girlfriend who is very anti-gun is just starting to grasp this concept.

    She was the classical "if you have a gun, you're only a moment away from going psycho and murdering everyone" anti at first.
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    According to the FBI, in 2007:
    -There were 467 violent crimes for every 100k people, representing 1.408 million crimes.
    -Of those 1.408 million crimes, 29.35% were verifiably committed with a gun
    Thus:
    -One in 214 people will be a victim of a violent crime
    -One in 730 people will be a victim of a violent crime committed with a gun
    Violent Crime - Crime in the United States 2007

    Given that, who are more paranoid:
    -The people that look at the crime rate and want a gun for self-defense
    -The people that look at the crime rate involving guns and want more gun control
    That means that these crimes are less then one percent almost nothing.
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