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Thread: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It depends.
    The people who think that the government requiring a background check is the same as the government leaving you completely defenseless are paranoid....
    These are not necessarily among those the people discussed in the poll.

    The people who justify the right to bear arms by saying that they need their guns to overthrow a tyrannical government are paranoid.
    These are not necessarily among those the people discussed in the poll.

    But the average gun owner, who hunts for fun and just wants to be left alone to practice his hobby, is not paranoid.
    And THESE are not necessarily among those the people discussed in the poll -- the poll asks specifically about those that look at the crime rate and want a gun for self-defense.

    So, what of those poeple?

    Similarly, the people who think concealed carry laws are going to result in a wave of Rambos are paranoid.
    These are not necessarily among those the people discussed in the poll.

    The people who think that a person who owns a rifle is a menace to society are paranoid
    These are not necessarily among those the people discussed in the poll.

    But the average pro-gun control advocate, who lives in a big crime-ridden city and wants to ban the most common weapons used to commit crimes in his city, is not.
    And THESE are not necessarily among those the people discussed in the poll -- the poll asks specifically about those who that look at the crime rate involving guns and want more gun control.

    So, what of those poeple?

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanitas View Post
    I think neither are paranoid. Each are reacting in understandable ways. The difference stems from a personal opinion, not political. Basically, both believe their opinions are justified due to morals. I think, though, both sides can agree that the unregistered guns are where much of the violent crimes involving guns come from.
    The vast majority of guns are unregistered, as few places require registration.

    The poll is based on the 'if you think you need a gun to protect yourself, you're paranoid' argument bandied about regularly by the anti-gun side. If that is true, given the frequency of violent crime vs violent crime with a gun, how are those that seek more gun control not MORE paranoid?

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Rofl. Yeah. You're paranoid if you look at the statistics and think you'll be within that 1 within 730 people.
    The relevant statistic here is 1 in 214, as that is the likelyhood of being a victim of violent crime.

    If you're paranoid for wanting a gun because of that 1 in 214 chance, how are you not more paranoid for wanting more gun control based on that 1 in 730 chance?

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    What is the point in these random assertions?
    You appear to be making unsupported claims based on your own views.
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So I should waste my time and money buying a gun and learning how to properly use it, just in case:

    1. Someone randomly breaks into my residence, located in a relatively low-crime neighborhood
    2. I am home at the time.
    3. That person intends to kill or hurt me for no reason.
    4. I am unable to escape from my residence.
    5. I find myself trapped in the one room in my residence where I would otherwise have stored the gun.
    The relevant statistic here is a 1 in 214 chance of being a victim of a violent crime. This can happen anywhere, not just your home, and so your agument, above, isnt illustrative of the threat under consideration.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    I've been that 1 in 730 a couple times in my life, and those incidents taught me how dangerous the "it can't happen to me" mentality is.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Rofl. Yeah. You're paranoid if you look at the statistics and think you'll be within that 1 within 730 people. It's kind of like looking at shark attack statistics and keeping a harpoon around 'just in case'. Or better yet. Keeping a flotation device around you at all times because you have greater chances of dying.
    Most women don't get raped either...try bringing your logic to rape victims.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And THESE are not necessarily among those the people discussed in the poll -- the poll asks specifically about those that look at the crime rate and want a gun for self-defense.
    Depends who and where they are. If they work the graveyard shift in the inner city, and they have delinquent teenage kids who are involved with drugs, then it would not be paranoid at all for them to own a gun for self-defense.

    If they obey the law, live in a low-crime neighborhood, and don't do anything to piss people off...then yes, they're probably paranoid if they want a gun for self-defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman
    And THESE are not necessarily among those the people discussed in the poll -- the poll asks specifically about those who that look at the crime rate involving guns and want more gun control.
    Depends what type of gun control we're talking about. If it's just common sense regulations (which I know you probably don't consider common sense, but most of us do) like background checks and a waiting period of a few days, then no, they aren't paranoid. If they want a city-wide ban on specific weapons that cause a lot of problems within their city, then they aren't paranoid. If they look at the crime statistics of THEIR city and want to ban lots of other weapons on a state or national basis, then yes, they probably are paranoid.
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is a moronic statistic. here is why-as America legalized concealed carry and millions of more guns were bought in reaction to dem attempts to ban them CRIME WENT DOWN. Yet in England and Australia GUN BANS lead to increases in violent crime.


    You gun haters never want to bring freedom in the the mix either.
    Just pointing out that USA have a much higher murder rate then most other western countries, that at the same time you have more guns and less gun restriction then other western countries. That if you are dependent on guns for you safety as you claim, then I just suggest that you may also have other problems to deal with.

    Also I'm not a gun hater, I come from a country that has relative high numbers of guns per capita. The difference is the purpose and control of guns. That in Sweden you can be allowed to have guns for hunting and sport shooting if you got the right shooting training and don't have a mental or criminal record. If you want to defend your country, but don't want to enlist in the regular army, you can join the homeland militia and be allowed to have a automatic rifle at home. But we don't go around with guns on the street or use them for protection. That is really no need for that.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No. It sounds like a paranoid rant to me. There are SO many more likely ways that I could die for which I could prepare. If not owning a gun (and not worrying about being randomly murdered for no reason) makes me a "homo," then sign me up for the Barbara Streisand concert.
    I don't think it is such an attitude which is what people are disagreeing with. It is the belittling of the dangers for the express purpose of trying to further the restriction of firearms that is what is being mostly objected to.
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