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Thread: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Uhh some of us have neither the time nor desire to learn to use guns and protect ourselves. That's why we hire cops. It doesn't mean we're "homos" or "pussies," it just means that we have other interests and priorities and/or don't trust ourselves to use it properly.

    You don't call someone a "homo" if they don't personally study medicine to treat their own cancer when there are plenty of doctors available, do you? Is someone a "pussy" if they send their kid to school to be taught by a stranger instead of home-schooling them? If not, then why would you expect the average citizen to do YOUR job for you?
    Because its their safety im speaking of.

    Your TRUELY fooling yourself if you think the police are going to be there when your life is being threatened by some fool with a gun, knife, or other weapon.

    They will try to be there, that is if someone can call without getting noticed by the gun wielding fool, and get through to someone, who then sends the call to a dispatcher, who then dispatches the call to the officer, who then has to drive 6 miles through 5:40pm traffic with blue lights and sirens on (that nobody listens to at that time of day) when everyone is packed on the same road and they cops are having to drive half on the median (slowing them down considerably) to get to your location to clean up the mess that is your body laying on the ground and your daughter kidnapped and being raped somewhere by some disgusting vile thing of a thug that you could have shot with your own gun and prevented all this.

    If only you took it upon yourself to learn some self defense and firearm safety.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Stop using logic! If you do. Caine might be out of a job soon. And we don't want that.
    Is that why you disappeared in the Marijuana debate?

    Or how many other threads for that matter?

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    If only one in 730 people will be a victim of a violent crime commited with a gun, why do you need a gun for your self defense?
    Find out how many unarmed people have been the victim of an armed assault and robbery to better answer your questions.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanitas View Post
    I believe that gun owners should feel like they need to make the sacrifice to make the streets safer, even if they might be responsible citizens.
    You mean make the streets more accessible to those predators who will now know that they don't have to worry about armed citizens right?

    Gun wielding Criminals don't give a **** about gun control laws, nor any other law they are breaking.......

    All you will be doing is disarming the rest of the population.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Maybe USA is different from Sweden, but here the most effective way of not being victim is to handle alcohol. That usually it's drunk people fighting with other drunks, and their I can see guns will do more harm then good in those situation. Then you of course have criminals getting into fight with other criminals and their more guns is also doing more harm then good. That of course hard core criminals will always get a gun. But the stricter gun control law we have in Sweden may stop a teenage punk from having a real gun then he gets into a fight with another teenage punk.

    Maybe USA is have very much more violence then Sweden, but I can't see a big use of guns for protection. That if you still are scared their are better ways like having a dog (even a small dogs bark can make a burglar run away) and teargas can be more easily accessible during an surprise assault. Also with teargas you don't face the risk of getting shot if you are disarmed or hit the wrong person. Of course woman can be afraid but if you see to statistical the best protection is to know the sign and get away from a bad boy friend in time, that is a much bigger threath then attack from a unknown attacker.

    But all this of course responsible hunters and sport shooter with the right training should be allowed to own guns. In Sweden we also have the national voluntary militia for homeland defence if you join and live up to the standard you can have your own automatic rifle at home.
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Alot of the anti gun persons I believe are suffering more from misinformation and bias views.

    (Im no racist just using this for comparison). The same anti gun persons that want more strict gun control or the banning of guns to protect persons from gun crimes would never consider removing blacks or hispanics from our country even tho that would also lower gun crimes (statisticly).

    I think for them its more about the object being evil over the human behavior being wrong.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Find out how many unarmed people have been the victim of an armed assault and robbery to better answer your questions.

    I have my doubts about that 1 in 730 official figure. A lot of stuff doesn't get reported, for one thing. For another, to get anecdotal:

    Over the course of my forty-some years...
    One of my best friends was murdered during a robbery.
    I personally know several people who have been robbed, robbed and beaten, or raped.

    I have a relative, an elderly lady, who ran off an intruder with her pistol.
    I know an older man whose life was threatened by a random stranger, who ran him off by showing him his pistol.
    This is all excluding people I interacted with as a cop, back-when, I mean people I know personally.

    I've had my own incidents as a private citizen as well, where I was glad to be armed, but I won't go into that here.


    So, my personal experiences, among other things, lead me to believe that being armed is an important aspect of personal security.

    Statistics are a useful tool, but even if the odds might be 730-to-1 against, it's no comfort when you're the one.


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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I went with those who want guns.

    I know as a gun owner I am more paranoid about the government taking away my right to defend myself.
    No, you're not.

    Paranoia
    1 : a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur usually without hallucinations

    2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others
    In order for you to be paranoid, you'd have to have an irrational fear of the government taking away your right to defend yourself. As such a concern is exceedingly rational, particularly with the anti-self-defense Anti-Republican lunatics running the asylum, you cannot possibly be paranoid.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    If only one in 730 people will be a victim of a violent crime commited with a gun, why do you need a gun for your self defense?
    because if people didn't own guns that number would be far far worse.

    Its like saying you have almost no chance of catching polio so why get the vaccine.
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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I have my doubts about that 1 in 730 official figure. A lot of stuff doesn't get reported, for one thing. For another, to get anecdotal:

    Over the course of my forty-some years...
    One of my best friends was murdered during a robbery.
    I personally know several people who have been robbed, robbed and beaten, or raped.

    I have a relative, an elderly lady, who ran off an intruder with her pistol.
    I know an older man whose life was threatened by a random stranger, who ran him off by showing him his pistol.
    This is all excluding people I interacted with as a cop, back-when, I mean people I know personally.

    I've had my own incidents as a private citizen as well, where I was glad to be armed, but I won't go into that here.


    So, my personal experiences, among other things, lead me to believe that being armed is an important aspect of personal security.

    Statistics are a useful tool, but even if the odds might be 730-to-1 against, it's no comfort when you're the one.


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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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