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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    I think that just like with any group both sides of the issue can have their extremists. Unfortunately, the extremists are usually the only ones who are heard because they are the loudest and most outspoken. I think that both sides of the issue can certainly be paranoid in their own ways. The fact that some of the extremists in the anti-gun crowd actually want all guns to be taken away speaks volumes. They have a completely irrational fear of guns and can't understand why anyone would want them. On the other hand, the extremists on the pro-gun side of the argument think that people should have access to any and all guns and don't understand people who would want to put any restrictions what-so-ever on guns.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    According to the FBI, in 2007:
    -There were 467 violent crimes for every 100k people, representing 1.408 million crimes.
    -Of those 1.408 million crimes, 29.35% were verifiably committed with a gun
    Thus:
    -One in 214 people will be a victim of a violent crime
    -One in 730 people will be a victim of a violent crime committed with a gun
    Violent Crime - Crime in the United States 2007

    Given that, who are more paranoid:
    -The people that look at the crime rate and want a gun for self-defense
    -The people that look at the crime rate involving guns and want more gun control
    It depends.

    The people who think that the government requiring a background check is the same as the government leaving you completely defenseless are paranoid. The people who justify the right to bear arms by saying that they need their guns to overthrow a tyrannical government are paranoid. But the average gun owner, who hunts for fun and just wants to be left alone to practice his hobby, is not paranoid.

    Similarly, the people who think concealed carry laws are going to result in a wave of Rambos are paranoid. The people who think that a person who owns a rifle is a menace to society are paranoid. But the average pro-gun control advocate, who lives in a big crime-ridden city and wants to ban the most common weapons used to commit crimes in his city, is not.
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    But the average pro-gun control advocate, who lives in a big crime-ridden city and wants to ban the most common weapons used to commit crimes in his city, is not.
    Tell that homo to stop being such a pussy and get a concealed carry permit, learn how to use a gun and protect himself.

    Then if he spreads the word around and the majority of the population are doing it, gun crimes won't be such an issue because the criminals will have more to fear than just the police, which we all know can't be everywhere and aren't always there when they are needed most (and due to our cluster**** building of these "cities" have a hard time getting there due to traffic clusters, etc).

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    They are not me(any more), nor those I care for. That was the premise of the post of yours I replied to. Please do not put words into my mouth, thank you.
    no sense of humor. noted.

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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    I went with those who want guns.

    I know as a gun owner I am more paranoid about the government taking away my right to defend myself.


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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    I think neither are paranoid. Each are reacting in understandable ways. The difference stems from a personal opinion, not political. Basically, both believe their opinions are justified due to morals. I think, though, both sides can agree that the unregistered guns are where much of the violent crimes involving guns come from.
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    People who think that a background check amount to a gross violation of their second amendment rights are highly paranoid. You know who you are.

    People who want to ban all guns because of crime are highly paranoid. You know who you are.
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Tell that homo to stop being such a pussy and get a concealed carry permit, learn how to use a gun and protect himself.
    Uhh some of us have neither the time nor desire to learn to use guns and protect ourselves. That's why we hire cops. It doesn't mean we're "homos" or "pussies," it just means that we have other interests and priorities and/or don't trust ourselves to use it properly.

    You don't call someone a "homo" if they don't personally study medicine to treat their own cancer when there are plenty of doctors available, do you? Is someone a "pussy" if they send their kid to school to be taught by a stranger instead of home-schooling them? If not, then why would you expect the average citizen to do YOUR job for you?
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Uhh some of us have neither the time nor desire to learn to use guns and protect ourselves. That's why we hire cops. It doesn't mean we're "homos" or "pussies," it just means that we have other interests and priorities and/or don't trust ourselves to use it properly.

    You don't call someone a "homo" if they don't personally study medicine to treat their own cancer when there are plenty of doctors available, do you? Is someone a "pussy" if they send their kid to school to be taught by a stranger instead of home-schooling them? If not, then why would you expect the average citizen to do YOUR job for you?
    Stop using logic! If you do. Caine might be out of a job soon. And we don't want that.
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    Re: Pro/anti-gun -- who is more paranoid?

    These discussions are markedly tainted with an urban viewpoint. I lived in AK for six years and, other than in Anchorage and other larger bergs, almost everyone was armed. I live at the back of a farm field now in NC and it is pretty much the same. In AK your choice was something of a very large calibre or shotgun to protect against bear mostly. Handguns, even 44mag, were thought by most as a good suicide weapon in a bear attack. An assault weapon would be effective.

    In urban areas it's not the bears. The animals shoot back with assault weapons. To have a chance you should be able to be equally armed.
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