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    4 6.56%
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    Re: After Eight Years of Obama ...

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    What has he done wrong?
    Since I stated he's done nothing right, the obvious corollary is he's done everything wrong.

    Even timing a speech to begin mere minutes before a private citizen is going to give a speech on the exact same topic so he could childishly try to prevent the alternative version he doesn't want aired to reach the public.

    Where have you posted your opinion that his behavior in trying to override Dick Cheney's speech was childish and ineffective, not to mention flat wrong and an embarassment to the office he holds?

    What next, is he going to bomb a camel's ass in Afghanistan on the morning his blowjob whore is going to testify before the special prosecutor merely to ensure there's a news story that evening to overshadow her....and then phone ahead to make sure Osama bin Laden isn't in the camel's ass when the Tomahawks hit?

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    Re: After Eight Years of Obama ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    This is the poll I was expecting.

    What will the United States look like after eight years of Messianic leadership from Obama?

    I voted worse....I don't think even a Messiah can create a disaster, but I can see he's trying real hard to make it happen.
    OK, calling him "Messiah" is ridiculous after we're just coming off of the Bush presidency. If nothing else, Obama is a pragmatist (which is not necessarily the same as a moderate). Whereas Bush truly WAS ideologically-driven in a messianic desire to bring democracy to the world. Anyway, the question is too complex to be answered in simple terms like "Better" or "Worse" to describe the country as a whole. So let's explore some important dimensions of public policy:

    Foreign policy - Much better. I have no illusions that the rest of the world will continue to love Obama forever, but so far he has given every reason to believe that he will be an above-average president in terms of foreign policy. Although after the catastrophuck of the Bush foreign policy, I would be ecstatic if he was even average.

    Education - About the same (i.e. crappy). While Obama is making the right noises about charter schools and vouchers, the congressional Democrats will never go along with any reform unless Obama makes it a priority. So far, he has shown no desire to confront them on this issue. Maybe that will change after health care is passed...but so far I have not seen any signs of it.

    Health care - Much better. At long last, it looks like we're going to get a sane health care system in this country, instead of an inefficient patchwork of systems that keep people employed in unproductive sectors, lower wages, reduce corporate profits, don't cover everyone, and generally make people miserable.

    Deficit - Better than it is now, but probably worse than prior to the recession. The current recession is so severe that I think it can be regarded as an anomaly. The deficit will undoubtedly come under some control after it ends. However, merely allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire will not generate enough revenue to pay for health care and cap-and-trade, let alone the deficit we already have.

    Trade - About the same. Obama has shown no serious desire to roll back free trade agreements, and would probably put up a fight with congressional Democrats if they tried to do so. However, he does not seem particularly eager to form new agreements either.

    Privacy - Worse. This isn't necessarily a reflection on Obama...more a reflection on our technological progress. People are increasingly giving up more and more of their privacy (sometimes voluntarily, sometimes not). I think eventually we will get to the point where most people just accept the nuisance of government, corporations, employers, and random people snooping into their lives.

    Energy - About the same. As much as I'd like to say that we'll be better off, an eight-year Obama presidency simply will not be enough time to realize the effects of improved energy efficiency. However, it is my hope that Obama can at least lay the groundwork for a better energy sector, by approving new nuclear power plants, investing in solar technology, modernizing the electricity grid, and offering tax breaks to gas stations who charge vehicles (once electric cars become more widely available). Or if he's really bold, raise the gas tax by at least a dollar.

    Labor - Worse. Much to my dismay, Obama seems to be much more in the pocket of the unions than I imagined. His giving Chrysler to the UAW was disgusting, as is his (probable) course of action for GM, as was his refusal to allow California to deal with the SEIU.

    Taxation - Better. Count on the tax level in eight years to be more progressive and higher...although probably not high enough to pay our bills, as I mentioned above.

    Crime - Much better. It is my hope that Obama will use marijuana legalization as a test-drive for ending the war on drugs entirely. Perhaps this is dreaming too much, but so far he has made the right sounds on marijuana laws. Since most crimes are drug offenses and/or have a drug-related motive, legalizing all drugs would eliminate most crimes.
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    Re: After Eight Years of Obama ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Eight years? Man I would hope that he'll be gone after four.
    I'm hoping for a drastic turn around in the House and Senate and impeaching the Kenyan and removing him from office on the Constitutional ground that he not a US citizen.

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    Re: After Eight Years of Obama ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I'm hoping for a drastic turn around in the House and Senate and impeaching the Kenyan and removing him from office on the Constitutional ground that he not a US citizen.
    Amusing as that picture is, I want to see him voted out. That would indicate that people have decided to grow up and come back from their imaginary world where a man with no qualifications is seen ads a good choice for president.

    What is needed here, I'm afraid, is some bitter lessons.
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    Re: After Eight Years of Obama ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK, calling him "Messiah" is ridiculous after we're just coming off of the Bush presidency.
    Why, are you trying to claim that Bush worked miracles or are you saying that because Obama isn't a American god won't work miracles through him?

    You should clarify your position somewhat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If nothing else, Obama is a pragmatist (which is not necessarily the same as a moderate).
    Yeah, it's really pragmatic to throw a hundred billion dollars at a failed car company and tell it to straighten up or face receivership. Made perfect sense to every single dumb-**** that voted for the Messiah, I suppose.

    Those of us with perfect sense didn't see any sense in it at all, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Foreign policy - Much better.
    Already worse.

    He couldn't force Netanyahu to go along with the moronic two-state plan, he's coddling I'madaboutdajihad in Iran, he's doing just swell with the North Koreans, and the Chinese are making deals with other countries to stop trading in dollars. But the morons in Europe like him.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I have no illusions that the rest of the world will continue to love Obama forever,
    How silly you are. As long as Obama is doing everything in his power to do as much damage to the United States as he's doing now, he's going continue being the world's favorite president. You're not trying to say that you expect sometime in the far distant future in a galaxy far far away that Obama might eventually stop his deliberate efforts to destroy this country, are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Health care - Much better. At long last, it looks like we're going to get a sane health care system in this country,
    No, we're not. Obama is doing everything he can to prevent the free market reforms needed to fix the problems with the health care industry in the United States. Those reforms require the US stop interfering in the industry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Deficit - Better than it is now, but probably worse than prior to the recession. The current recession is so severe that I think it can be regarded as an anomaly.
    Nothing anomalous about a financial crash caused by too much government. That's the cause of most financial crashes.

    Since the crash was caused by too much government, it's clear even more government won't make things better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The deficit will undoubtedly come under some control after it ends.
    It can't end until the deficit spending stops, ergo, in your scenario, it never gets better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    However, merely allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire will not generate enough revenue to pay for health care and cap-and-trade, let alone the deficit we already have.
    Yeah, considering that Obama's raising taxes (call it what it really is) will crash the economy before it can get out of the recession the government caused.

    Gee, and you didn't say a word about the inflation that has to be coming simply because your Messiah and the liberal that preceded him pumped litteral trillions of dollars of cash into the economy.

    Needless to say, tax-and-trade is one of the stupidest ideas to come down the road in a long time and it's going to do it's part, a major role, in stifling the economy once the traitors enact it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Trade - About the same. Obama has shown no serious desire to roll back free trade agreements, and would probably put up a fight with congressional Democrats if they tried to do so. However, he does not seem particularly eager to form new agreements either.
    Trade doesn't grow when the national economy is in the shambles Obama it trying to put it into.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Energy - About the same.
    Worse. The Messiah refuses to consider the proven technological tools we have, oil, coal, and nuclear, and wants to hang the national hopes on magically industries relying heavily on Unobtanium for the technological breakthroughs to make them economically feasible....when the nation's industries are withering on the vine for want of reliably cheap energy sources...and all we need to really do is drill and dig in our own backyard for the solutions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Labor - Worse. Much to my dismay, Obama seems to be much more in the pocket of the unions than I imagined. His giving Chrysler to the UAW was disgusting, as is his (probable) course of action for GM, as was his refusal to allow California to deal with the SEIU.
    Your Messiah is an absolutely 100% totally TYPICAL Democrat here. Sorry, I don't buy the sudden disdain for unions from people dishonest enough to vote for Democrats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Taxation - Better. Count on the tax level in eight years to be more progressive and higher...although probably not high enough to pay our bills, as I mentioned above.
    You mean worse. Higher taxes will kill the economy, and the people that should be taxed are the poor, who don't pay taxes. They want the benefits, let them pay the price.

    Also by "progressive" you mean "socialist", which naturally means "regressive back to the time of feudal lords and privileged elites". If you wish the honest people such as myself to have some other vision of what you're trying to say, you have to stop using the recognized socialist buzz words and propaganda phrases.

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    Re: After Eight Years of Obama ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Why, are you trying to claim that Bush worked miracles or are you saying that because Obama isn't a American god won't work miracles through him?

    You should clarify your position somewhat.



    Yeah, it's really pragmatic to throw a hundred billion dollars at a failed car company and tell it to straighten up or face receivership. Made perfect sense to every single dumb-**** that voted for the Messiah, I suppose.

    Those of us with perfect sense didn't see any sense in it at all, though.



    Already worse.

    He couldn't force Netanyahu to go along with the moronic two-state plan, he's coddling I'madaboutdajihad in Iran, he's doing just swell with the North Koreans, and the Chinese are making deals with other countries to stop trading in dollars. But the morons in Europe like him.




    How silly you are. As long as Obama is doing everything in his power to do as much damage to the United States as he's doing now, he's going continue being the world's favorite president. You're not trying to say that you expect sometime in the far distant future in a galaxy far far away that Obama might eventually stop his deliberate efforts to destroy this country, are you?



    No, we're not. Obama is doing everything he can to prevent the free market reforms needed to fix the problems with the health care industry in the United States. Those reforms require the US stop interfering in the industry.



    Nothing anomalous about a financial crash caused by too much government. That's the cause of most financial crashes.

    Since the crash was caused by too much government, it's clear even more government won't make things better.



    It can't end until the deficit spending stops, ergo, in your scenario, it never gets better.



    Yeah, considering that Obama's raising taxes (call it what it really is) will crash the economy before it can get out of the recession the government caused.

    Gee, and you didn't say a word about the inflation that has to be coming simply because your Messiah and the liberal that preceded him pumped litteral trillions of dollars of cash into the economy.

    Needless to say, tax-and-trade is one of the stupidest ideas to come down the road in a long time and it's going to do it's part, a major role, in stifling the economy once the traitors enact it.



    Trade doesn't grow when the national economy is in the shambles Obama it trying to put it into.



    Worse. The Messiah refuses to consider the proven technological tools we have, oil, coal, and nuclear, and wants to hang the national hopes on magically industries relying heavily on Unobtanium for the technological breakthroughs to make them economically feasible....when the nation's industries are withering on the vine for want of reliably cheap energy sources...and all we need to really do is drill and dig in our own backyard for the solutions.



    Your Messiah is an absolutely 100% totally TYPICAL Democrat here. Sorry, I don't buy the sudden disdain for unions from people dishonest enough to vote for Democrats.



    You mean worse. Higher taxes will kill the economy, and the people that should be taxed are the poor, who don't pay taxes. They want the benefits, let them pay the price.

    Also by "progressive" you mean "socialist", which naturally means "regressive back to the time of feudal lords and privileged elites". If you wish the honest people such as myself to have some other vision of what you're trying to say, you have to stop using the recognized socialist buzz words and propaganda phrases.
    If you really believe everything you just wrote, then you are definitely the reason Republicans can't win at this point.

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    Re: After Eight Years of Obama ...

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    If you really believe everything you just wrote, then you are definitely the reason Republicans can't win at this point.
    I kinda doubt that.

    I'm not a Republican.

    I'm an American.

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    Re: After Eight Years of Obama ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I kinda doubt that.

    I'm not a Republican.

    I'm an American.
    I think of you more as "an American anti-liberal".

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    Re: After Eight Years of Obama ...

    I'll be surprised if America lasts that long. We're sorta under the influence of alcohol while driving smart car at 100 miles per hour through down-town LA

    And I am not just being sarcastic. The anti-sobriety medicine that Obama hath issued the American people tastes phenomenal, however, we are progressing faster and faster and faster. We cannot control this monster of a nation we have created, yet we are to believe we can.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: After Eight Years of Obama ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think of you more as "an American anti-liberal".
    Is that another way of saying the liberals divide Americans into this or that hyphenated grouping?

    The constant flaw in so-called "liberal" thinking: people exist only as part of a larger group, and have no identity in and of themselves.

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