A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

ronpaulvoter · May 21, 2009

This really happened in Melbourne, Florida:

A LETTER FROM A DODGE DEALER - Nealz Nuze on boortz.com

According to Neal: The government took over the company and closed some of the dealerships. Mr. Joseph's family owned this business for 40 years and has operated it very successfully. He will get NO compensation for his seized business. He will probably have to declare bankruptcy. Meanwhile, the business will be GIVEN to an undisclosed recipient.

Here is the question: How badly do you feel Mr. George C. Joseph got screwed?

And if something like this happened to you, what would you do?

Redress · May 21, 2009

Isn't capitalism wonderful? Sorry, but the truth is, if you own a business, you take risks. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes not. Sometimes things happen beyond your control and you are screwed. The government is already doing as much or more than they can or should do. We cannot save every business.

ronpaulvoter · May 21, 2009

Redress said:
Isn't capitalism wonderful? Sorry, but the truth is, if you own a business, you take risks. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes not. Sometimes things happen beyond your control and you are screwed. The government is already doing as much or more than they can or should do. We cannot save every business.

LOL!!! "The government is already doing as much or more as they can or should do?"

The whole problem is what the government did. What it SHOULD have done is NOTHING. Then the problem would have never happened.

Edify_Always_In_All_Ways · May 21, 2009

Impossible to say without more details and independent verification of the story. He may be right, he may be misinformed, Chrysler could be in the wrong or the government could, but we have to wait and see.

Inferno · May 21, 2009

**** happens. Maybe it is time for the owners to suffer what the workers get to go through all to often.

winston53660 · May 21, 2009

ronpaulvoter said:
LOL!!! "The government is already doing as much or more as they can or should do?"

The whole problem is what the government did. What it SHOULD have done is NOTHING. Then the problem would have never happened.

So what did the big bad government do?

Zyphlin · May 21, 2009

Redress said:
Isn't capitalism wonderful? Sorry, but the truth is, if you own a business, you take risks. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes not. Sometimes things happen beyond your control and you are screwed. The government is already doing as much or more than they can or should do. We cannot save every business.

Did you SERIOUSLY just go "Isn't capitalism wonderful" to a situation where the GOVERNMENT forced a private enterprises hand to close up their shops?

Really?

Cause, for some reason, government control of private enterprise doesn't strike me as, oh I don't know, capitalism.

Dr_Patrick · May 21, 2009

ronpaulvoter said:
The whole problem is what the government did. What it SHOULD have done is NOTHING. Then the problem would have never happened.

Would you care to provide proof of that assertion?

Redress · May 21, 2009

Zyphlin said:
Did you SERIOUSLY just go "Isn't capitalism wonderful" to a situation where the GOVERNMENT forced a private enterprises hand to close up their shops?

Really?

Cause, for some reason, government control of private enterprise doesn't strike me as, oh I don't know, capitalism.

No where in the letter that I see(I could have missed it, too lazy to go back and double check now) did it say that Chrysler was told that they had to shut his dealership down. The reason that this happened is Chrysler is doing poorly, which is not the governments fault. What the government has been doing, rightly or wrongly(and I am of divided mind on it) is trying to keep Chrysler alive.

Let's play a quick game. What would have happened in presidents Bush and Obama had decided the auto industries where on their own. Would this guy have lost his dealership or not? Impossible to know for sure, but what is your guess. I would suspect not.

Goobieman · May 22, 2009

Zyphlin said:
Did you SERIOUSLY just go "Isn't capitalism wonderful" to a situation where the GOVERNMENT forced a private enterprises hand to close up their shops?
Really?

Yes... and I find the "shi'ite happens" response rather ironic.

Your job was outsourced. Shi'ite happens.
Your job was downsized. Shi'ite happens.
Your 401k collapsed. Shi'ite happens.

Oh, I forgot... those things are different.

Goobieman · May 22, 2009

Redress said:
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Let's play a quick game. What would have happened in presidents Bush and Obama had decided the auto industries where on their own. Would this guy have lost his dealership or not? Impossible to know for sure, but what is your guess. I would suspect not.

As long as the manufacturer stayed in business, he probably would have been OK -- obviously, a dealership can be very profitable, even if the manufacturer is not.

That said, the government -should- have let the automakers fend for themselves -- in the long run, the consumers win.

The silenced majority · May 22, 2009

The real question is where is it written in the Constitution that the Government has the authority to do this?

Redress · May 22, 2009

Goobieman said:
As long as the manufacturer stayed in business, he probably would have been OK -- obviously, a dealership can be very profitable, even if the manufacturer is not.

That said, the government -should- have let the automakers fend for themselves -- in the long run, the consumers win.

I guess I do not understand why the dealership was closed then. If it was profitable and making money for both Chrysler and the owner, by close it. If it was not, then it is a victim of the economy, not the administrator.

Jerry · May 22, 2009

ronpaulvoter said:
This really happened in Melbourne, Florida:

A LETTER FROM A DODGE DEALER - Nealz Nuze on boortz.com

According to Neal: The government took over the company and closed some of the dealerships. Mr. Joseph's family owned this business for 40 years and has operated it very successfully. He will get NO compensation for his seized business. He will probably have to declare bankruptcy. Meanwhile, the business will be GIVEN to an undisclosed recipient.

Here is the question: How badly do you feel Mr. George C. Joseph got screwed?

And if something like this happened to you, what would you do?

I'd take it to the local news first, and I can think of a few biased pundits who would love some ammo to smear the Pres with.

winston53660 · May 22, 2009

Redress said:
I guess I do not understand why the dealership was closed then. If it was profitable and making money for both Chrysler and the owner, by close it. If it was not, then it is a victim of the economy, not the administrator.

Chrysler had to lower their margin so that the dealership could stay in business and compete with the Chrysler dealership down the street.

earthworm · May 22, 2009

ronpaulvoter said:
This really happened in Melbourne, Florida:

A LETTER FROM A DODGE DEALER - Nealz Nuze on boortz.com

According to Neal: The government took over the company and closed some of the dealerships. Mr. Joseph's family owned this business for 40 years and has operated it very successfully. He will get NO compensation for his seized business. He will probably have to declare bankruptcy. Meanwhile, the business will be GIVEN to an undisclosed recipient.

Here is the question: How badly do you feel Mr. George C. Joseph got screwed?

And if something like this happened to you, what would you do?

There must be more to this than what this gentleman is divulging..
I do believe that our government would not ....steal a man's business, without provocation....
He could go to the newspapers...if any exist.....

Scarecrow Akhbar · May 22, 2009

Doesn't say what the franchise agreement his old man purchased, therefore can't form an opinion.

Also, what does 'give to someone else' mean?

All that's visible is this guy's complaint.

Since Chrysler is going bankrupt, what did he expect? Chrysler was going bankrupt without the government's interference.

The only thing the government's interference achieved was a waste of my tax dollars on a car company whose products I've never bought and was never going to.

Scarecrow Akhbar · May 22, 2009

earthworm said:
There must be more to this than what this gentleman is divulging..
I do believe that our government would not ....steal a man's business, without provocation....
He could go to the newspapers...if any exist.....

Sure the government would.

That's the net upshot of Kelo vs New London.

If the government can steal your home, it can certainly steal your business.

Simon W. Moon · May 22, 2009

ronpaulvoter said:
He will get NO compensation for his seized business. ... Meanwhile, the business will be GIVEN to an undisclosed recipient.

His franchise is being taken away, not his business. It's not being taken by the govt either as you seem to have implied and others have inferred.

His letter made me less sympathetic to his cause.

B L Zeebub · May 22, 2009

Did the envelope survive the journey?

Voidwar · May 22, 2009

Redress said:
Isn't capitalism wonderful? Sorry, but the truth is, if you own a business, you take risks. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes not. Sometimes things happen beyond your control and you are screwed. The government is already doing as much or more than they can or should do. We cannot save every business.

What bull**** apology. "We cannot save every business" ?

Yah, mebbe we could outright steal a few less of them though ? ? ?

I would burn it down before I let you steal it.

Redress · May 22, 2009

Voidwar said:
What bull**** apology. "We cannot save every business" ?

Yah, mebbe we could outright steal a few less of them though ? ? ?

I would burn it down before I let you steal it.

What businesses have we stolen? We have bailed some out, and by doing so, taken a vested interest in them and their success, but that is hardly stealing them. The owners and executives had already tried to burn them down...

Voidwar · May 22, 2009

Redress said:
What businesses have we stolen? We have bailed some out, and by doing so, taken a vested interest in them and their success, but that is hardly stealing them. The owners and executives had already tried to burn them down...

You seem to be confused. Perhaps you should Read the Article.

My name is George C. Joseph. I am the sole owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu, a family owned and operated business in Melbourne, Florida. My family bought and paid for this automobile franchise 35 years ago in 1974. I am the second generation to manage this business.

We currently employ 50+ people and before the economic slowdown we employed over 70 local people. We are active in the community and the local chamber of commerce. We deal with several dozen local vendors on a day to day basis and many more during a month. All depend on our business for part of their livelihood. We are financially strong with great respect in the market place and community. We have strong local presence and stability.

I work every day the store is open, nine to ten hours a day. I know most of our customers and all our employees. Sunshine Dodge is my life.

On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them.

To be fair, I think we are both Americans, and this is happening in Australia, so neither of us are technically a part of the "we" in question.

Redress · May 22, 2009

Voidwar said:
You seem to be confused. Perhaps you should Read the Article.

To be fair, I think we are both Americans, and this is happening in Australia, so neither of us are technically a part of the "we" in question.

No where in there does it state that "we", that is the United States, stole his business. Chrysler may have, I do not have enough information to be sure. In fact, the letter and article are very lacking in any kind of comments on why it happened. Funny that.

Oh, and this is in Florida.

Voidwar · May 22, 2009

Redress said:
No where in there does it state that "we", that is the United States, stole his business. Chrysler may have, I do not have enough information to be sure. In fact, the letter and article are very lacking in any kind of comments on why it happened. Funny that.

Oh, and this is in Florida.

Well, after you read the article, it certainly isn't anything to defend or apologize for , is it ?

A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

A Letter from a Dodge Dealer -- How Badly Screwed

Absolutely horrible -- unthinkable in the US

Really bad -- similar to extreme eminent domain seizures

Bad -- certainly unConstitutional

A tough break -- but possibly legal

An expected risk of a franchisee

It was probably written in his contract

Other -- specify

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