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    Question Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Further, will "government" (Australia's, acting under U.S. scrutiny) preside over and sanction and provide the force for the actual theft / transfer of the property ?

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    Obama's unelected, unaccountable Auto Industry Task Force is the entity that is behind these dealership closings. Chrysler downsizing and eliminating dealerships was part of the agreement that the troubled auto Co's made with the AITF in order to receive further funding from the taxpayer to "re-structure" the auto industry.. The power was first delegated by Congress to the Executive then subsequently to this bureaucracy from the President.


    Anyone who claims that the Government isn't behind these dealership closings is full of it. If you pay close enough attention, they are the very same people who insisted prior to the election that Obama wasn't a Socialist, & that a "Socialist" would do things like Nationalize the banking industry and turn the corporations over to the Unions.
    This from a Conservative...a Rush Limbaugh Conservative ??
    Any credibility at all ??

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    Congress is not too bright.
    Any business, not doing well, must close unprofitable plants.
    Probably GM should have taken action years, even decades ago.
    Why was this not done ?
    Politics and political correctness..
    How many plants from the now true Big Three are in Michigan ??

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    I have a problem with this neo-bankruptcy where the Government (those who spend your tax money) can set the terms as to what kind of products a Company can make, how much of the product they can make, where they can make it, who can make it, etc...
    There is no real evidence that this is happening. Speculations and accusations, but I have yet to see any solid evidence. The truth is, the government, both under this administration and President Bush's, has done more to help the auto industry than they had to, or where required to. I understand the complaints. Why are we giving money to a business that is going to cut jobs? Why are we giving money to a business that should be allowed to fail? Why are we propping up the UAW? Those are good questions, and ones I ask myself. I work in the auto industry, and yet I wonder if it was really appropriate for the government to bail GM and Chrysler out.

    What are not such good questions are strictly speculative ones. Did the government tell Chrysler to close down dealerships, and which ones? No evidence at all of this, and it makes no sense. Is the government telling auto makers what they have to make? No evidence of this. Is the government giving special deals to the UAW in Chrysler's bankruptcy? Sorta, but it is nor inappropriate or improper as the hedge fund owners who hold Chrysler's debt are suggesting.

    There are an absolute ton of things wrong with the auto industry. I could tell you stories that would make you want to go and close down the factories yourself. So far the governments involvement is not one of those things based on publicly known information.

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Further, will "government" (Australia's, acting under U.S. scrutiny) preside over and sanction and provide the force for the actual theft / transfer of the property ?
    Florida, not Australia.

    Melbourne, Florida

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Florida, not Australia.

    Melbourne, Florida
    Holy Smokes ! My Bad, I had completely misunderstood where the man was from. Apologies for any errors this may have contributed to.

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post

    What are not such good questions are strictly speculative ones. Did the government tell Chrysler to close down dealerships, and which ones? No evidence at all of this, and it makes no sense.
    At the same time, there is no evidence that economical factors or sound reasoning played a role in which dealerships were closed. I never said that the reasoning behind which dealerships would close and which dealerships would remain open would "make sense" either. Our Auto-industry is controlled by the Government & it is now up to Big Bro who will be the winners and losers. Until a clear reasoned plan emerges as to why the dealerships were closed, all we are left with is speculation as to who gave the orders & why?

    Is the government telling auto makers what they have to make? No evidence of this.
    Auto industry: Obama orders new carbon emission standards - Nachrichten English-News - WELT ONLINE

    Doesn't the Government already require that car companies live up to various safety standards, fuel economy standards, emissions controls, noise controls, vehicle recycling mandates, substances of concern, vehicle damage controls, and theft prevention requirements before Obama's newly forged standards?

    Is the government giving special deals to the UAW in Chrysler's bankruptcy? Sorta, but it is nor inappropriate or improper as the hedge fund owners who hold Chrysler's debt are suggesting.
    You're damn right it's unfair and Argentina-like to boot! I thought only people like Jaun Peron could have told a bondholder firm representative that they must accept .33 on the dollar while the Unions get .50 -threatening that if the representative didn't capitulate, the force of the press would bear down on them & on whoever else stood opposed.

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    At the same time, there is no evidence that economical factors or sound reasoning played a role in which dealerships were closed. I never said that the reasoning behind which dealerships would close and which dealerships would remain open would "make sense" either. Our Auto-industry is controlled by the Government & it is now up to Big Bro who will be the winners and losers. Until a clear reasoned plan emerges as to why the dealerships were closed, all we are left with is speculation as to who gave the orders & why?
    You have yet to show that the auto industry is controlled by the government. I would also add that the government could hardly do worse than Chrysler has.

    Auto industry: Obama orders new carbon emission standards - Nachrichten English-News - WELT ONLINE

    Doesn't the Government already require that car companies live up to various safety standards, fuel economy standards, emissions controls, noise controls, vehicle recycling mandates, substances of concern, vehicle damage controls, and theft prevention requirements before Obama's newly forged standards?
    1) standards are not telling the auto industry what to make, only that what it does make is required to conform to certain standards.

    2) the government has been doing this type of thing for decades. There are legitimate reasons why society as a whole has a vested interest in the quality of products.


    You're damn right it's unfair and Argentina-like to boot! I thought only people like Jaun Peron could have told a bondholder firm representative that they must accept .33 on the dollar while the Unions get .50 -threatening that if the representative didn't capitulate, the force of the press would bear down on them & on whoever else stood opposed.
    That is not exactly what is happening. The quickest and easiest way I can think of to explain a topic which I am far from an expert in is that the government has made a side deal with the union to give it some money and some of the governments stake in Chrysler in exchange for the union making concessions. It's a sweetheart deal to unions that I do disprove of, but not illegal or inappropriate in terms of the bankruptcy filing.

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